[RE-wrenches] Midnite AIO Generator Functionality

Wed May 14 09:07:56 PDT 2025

I "have been told" that you can do it with a Victron Cerbo. But, I have not
tried it personally. I'm sure a Victron expert can chime in. I understand
that the Cerbo can trigger a dry contact to serve as the  Start stop. I
monitor the AIO with a Cerbo but have not used it to control anything based
on reported SOC.

On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski <
jason at floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> Great info.
>
> Are there any AGS out there that can communicate with Pytes or other
> batteries via RS-485 and trigger based on battery SOC rather than using raw
> voltage? That would solve one issue.
>
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
> Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2025, 11:28 AM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> When using the AC input the substitute to use the AGS is to use an
>> external AGS Start relay.  There are many  customers using big
>> generators through the 100 Amp input with no issues. There is a request to
>> modify the AGS to work with the 100 amp AC in.
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 11:09 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for this information. Regarding the statement, "You can fully
>>> use the 100 Amp AC input for Generator input, and it is available at all
>>> times, but you will lose the AGS..."
>>>
>>> I don't think MNS tech support knows this. I'm pretty sure Rick told me
>>> no, and I know that Ronald unequivocally told me it was not allowed.
>>>
>>> What if the generator was connected to the grid input, but you still
>>> programmed the generator Smart Load output for a generator, would the AGS
>>> work in that case? Or if there is "Grid" voltage when the generator starts,
>>> would that cause the AGS to disengage and then the process would repeat
>>> itself in a loop?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
>>> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
>>> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
>>> Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2025, 10:57 AM William Bryce <
>>> wlbryce at pineridgeproducts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Everyone, Please forgive MNS for not promptly responding to the
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>>  Midnite Solar  does not currently have an official poster for the
>>>> Wrenches List. Per the rules of the list, MNS is working to get a new Rep
>>>> to work with the installers as we always have.
>>>>
>>>> To address the questions that were fielded:
>>>>
>>>> The solar array will continue to power the system and dark start the
>>>> inverter if needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you use the machine you can test. Just turn off ALL the Power,
>>>> including the DC in from the battery. The screen will be dark and when you
>>>> turn on the PV input the machine will go into standby.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the machine shuts down due to a LVCO then it will auto restart (Via
>>>> PV input) UNLESS the  "Min Initiation Startup  (off Grid)" setting is not
>>>> reached. It will charge the battery until that setting is reached then turn
>>>> on the inverter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the Shutdown was because of a PV Insulation *Fault* or some other
>>>> critical ESS fault it will not restart until that issue is corrected. You
>>>> can blame that on the UL code writers as it is REQUIRED to get the UL
>>>> certifications.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We also do full generator passthrough just like all other AIO's. And
>>>> yes as pointed out several times on the forum the relay for the
>>>> generator is not closed, as the inverter qualifies the generator before it
>>>> closes. The reason is that we can use the PV input and the generator at the
>>>> same time.  But, it is monitored so you do not blow us the generator if the
>>>> PV exceeds the Gen input and the load or charging drops. Is this perfect?
>>>> No, it needs some work. The current AGS is basic and needs work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can fully use the 100 Amp AC input for Generator input, and it is
>>>> available at all times, but you will lose the AGS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everyone at MNS is taking notes of all the issues with the Current
>>>> AIO's (all brands including our AIO), and the state of China made / China
>>>> supported inverters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MNS will be looking to reset the market soon with a New, US Made,
>>>> Designed, and supported AIO (not just assembled from China parts like some
>>>> others with the same firmware). Using proven SiC Fet technology (Rosie
>>>> inverter technology). With a full set of controls for LA batteries, and
>>>> Generator, just like in the old days. Touch Screen programming, and self
>>>> hosted web server remote accesses and control, not data sent to the cloud.
>>>> If you worry about support, and security, then this inverter will address
>>>> these needs. All the firmware is written in house, PCB boards populated
>>>> inhouse, and components origins verified.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will not say more because of MNS bad reputation of *announcing and
>>>> not delivering*, so in the next 6 months, we will have something great
>>>> to offer.  We are going back to our Roots (Trace, Outback, and
>>>> Magnum,  can all be linked back to this team).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of Midnite Solar
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 9:56 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is the idea, but the generator startup is not guaranteed (i.e.out
>>>>> of fuel, battery dead, etc). It's not a failsafe solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> The AIO really needs a dedicated GEN input that is not controlled with
>>>>> a NO relay. Or let us use the Grid input for the generator. The generator
>>>>> input logic is severely flawed. If there is an AC source, it should be able
>>>>> to charge the battery without user intervention.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>>>> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
>>>>> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
>>>>> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
>>>>> Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 12, 2025, 5:25 PM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <
>>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason,
>>>>>> Cant you just make the AGS turn on the generator before the inverter
>>>>>> gets to the LBCO? Maybe this is more difficult if you do not have closed
>>>>>> loop comms and the SOC drifts. I am just working through my first Midnite
>>>>>> AIO setup now, so I cannot speak to the nuances of how it will work with
>>>>>> that yet.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 4:01 PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <
>>>>>> re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That has not been my experience.  I have had to manually reboot
>>>>>>> Solark systems numerous time off grid.  If there is snow on the array or
>>>>>>> otherwise low PV output for a few days, the no load draw of the BMS then
>>>>>>> takes the battery voltage low enough to shut the battery off.   This would
>>>>>>> be a different situation with a knowledgeable owner onsite full time, but
>>>>>>> for vacation properties, it will go into complete shut down, not coming
>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which gets into the manual and tech support for Solark:  its really
>>>>>>> not clear what the different settings do, and how they interact.  I'm sure
>>>>>>> there are engineers that know, but they aren't at Tech support. At least
>>>>>>> you can change the programming on the touch screen, and you don't have to
>>>>>>> get a quirky app up off grid to do basic changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, what happens when the developers quit keeping the App updated,
>>>>>>> 10 years from now, and you can't access the programming?  Planned
>>>>>>> Obsolescence?  That 33 yr old Trace Inverter is still doing its job.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray Walters
>>>>>>> Remote Solar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 11:33 AM, MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have been using the Solark inverter for GTBB and off grid
>>>>>>> clients. In the case of low battery cut out the solar does stay alive in
>>>>>>> the background and will recharge the batteries when the sun comes out the
>>>>>>> next day and turn itself back on and provide AC power output.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael D Nelson
>>>>>>> MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
>>>>>>> 707-684-0064 mobile
>>>>>>> 707-884-1862 office
>>>>>>> www.mdelectricsolar.com
>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 12, 2025, at 10:13 AM, Ray Walters via RE-wrenches
>>>>>>> <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
>>>>>>> <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the bypass switch gets the house power on, and I too always
>>>>>>> recommend a hard bypass switch. However, you still need a 48 v power supply
>>>>>>> to get the battery system back up, and that's becoming a serious pain in my
>>>>>>> aging backside.  Until AIOs with Li+ batteries, lead acid would have enough
>>>>>>> voltage to get the charge controller to come back on, and eventually the
>>>>>>> customer could get the inverter back on too.  No special trip out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need an independent circuit that would sense array voltage, and
>>>>>>> wake up the battery, so it could take a charge: a backup battery for the
>>>>>>> offgrid battery.  Without that, AIOs and Li+ batteries are not self healing
>>>>>>> like Lead Acid.  We are going backwards fast, but with an amazing amount of
>>>>>>> new Chinese technology driving the jalopy in reverse.  (Danger Will
>>>>>>> Robinson)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray Walters
>>>>>>> Remote Solar
>>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 10:54 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We always recommend a transfer switch to bypass the inverter and
>>>>>>> send generator power to the loads. Most clients take us up on it. For
>>>>>>> retrofits, sometimes there can be space limitations, however.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the function of the AIO, there is no integrated mechanical
>>>>>>> bypass, and since there is an internal relay controlling the
>>>>>>> generator input (or smart load output on that breaker), I think the default
>>>>>>> function is for the relay to open when the inverter turns off. AC voltage
>>>>>>> on the load side of the breaker does not close the relay and turn the
>>>>>>> inverter back on automatically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>>>>>> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
>>>>>>> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
>>>>>>> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
>>>>>>> Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 9:49 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via
>>>>>>> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All sounds wrong to me. Call Midnite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typically there is a AC bypass mechanical switch that allows the
>>>>>>>> gen to bypass the inverter and power loads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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>>>>>>>> text 209 813 0060*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-12 9:29 am, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like there is a flaw in
>>>>>>>> the logic for how generator integration works with this product. Unlike
>>>>>>>> some of the other AIOs, you can't put the generator on the Grid input in an
>>>>>>>> off-grid scenario. You have to use the Generator smart load breaker, which
>>>>>>>> isn't a dedicated generator input, but a programmable circuit. This is
>>>>>>>> problematic because it seemingly has a normally open internal relay that
>>>>>>>> closes only when the inverter is ON. At least, that's how it seems to work
>>>>>>>> in my limited experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is this a problem? If the battery capacity drops below the low
>>>>>>>> voltage cutoff, the inverter turns off. You have to turn the inverter ON
>>>>>>>> for the generator relay to close so you can charge the battery, but since
>>>>>>>> the battery is too low, the inverter won't turn on. You would have to
>>>>>>>> reprogram the inverter to drop the cutoff voltage/SOC below the current
>>>>>>>> battery state. For people who do not want to use AGS, or if AGS fails to
>>>>>>>> start the generator for any reason, getting the generator to charge the
>>>>>>>> battery manually is no easy task.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moreover, turning the generator on manually when the inverter is in
>>>>>>>> an OFF state will not pass power to the loads, and will not turn
>>>>>>>> the inverter ON automatically. You have to get the inverter turned ON
>>>>>>>> somehow so that the generator power can pass through to the loads. And
>>>>>>>> since the startup sequence for this inverter is very quirky, non-intuitive,
>>>>>>>> and unreliable, that makes the problem even worse. I'm not sure if you can
>>>>>>>> even turn the inverter ON when there is generator input and the battery is
>>>>>>>> too low. I don't think you can because the relay is open and the inverter
>>>>>>>> doesn't even see generator voltage when it is in an OFF state.
>>>>>>>> This seems like a serious oversight and a reason to go with one of
>>>>>>>> the other AIOs on the market. I believe the Sol-Ark 15K and EG4 18kPV will
>>>>>>>> both immediately power loads and start charging when the generator is on,
>>>>>>>> regardless of whether the generator is connected to the Grid or Generator
>>>>>>>> input. Any AC input immediately passes through to the loads. This is
>>>>>>>> because those inverters stay "on" when a low battery condition is met, and
>>>>>>>> they simply stop using the battery to invert power if the battery
>>>>>>>> conditions do not allow it, based on the settings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The logic of the Midnite AIOs turning "off" when battery cutoff is
>>>>>>>> met and opening the generator relay doesn't make sense to me. Am I wrong
>>>>>>>> about how this works?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>>>>>>> Principal Solar Designer
>>>>>>>> Florida Solar Design Group
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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