[RE-wrenches] Stainless NEMA4x load center, SolarDeck w/ breakers
Drake
drake.chamberlin at redwoodalliance.org
Mon Apr 28 07:20:06 PDT 2014
The breakers in common commercially available
outdoor breaker boxes are for dry locations only, and the boxes are NEMA 3R.
Mounting a breaker under a solar module could
present a code problem, as the breakers are not readily available.
At 03:19 PM 4/24/2014, you wrote:
>If you are mounting under panels (which is my
>preference to keep it out of the elements and
>for aesthetics), I still recommend the Soladeck.
>It accepts other DIN rail mounted breakers... shop around...
>
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>Jason Szumlanski \Â Vice President
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>On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Kirpal Khalsa
><<mailto:solarworks at gmail.com>solarworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>Friends,
>I just discovered that Midnite Solar also has a
>3 circuit combiner mountable down to a 3/12
>pitch for AC micros at 240VAC. Â They have a
>fingered buss bar that has offsets to catch
>every other pole on the dual pole breaker
>sets.....in addition it has their external
>lockable, visible disconnect on the exterior of the box.......
>
>So am discovering that there are options......I
>will probably use the midnite solar option as
>the breakers are a small fraction of the cost of
>the breakers used int he Soladeck...
>Thanks for all the help...
>Cheers,
>
>
>Sunny Regards,
>Kirpal Khalsa
>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>Renewable Energy Systems
><http://www.oregonsolarworks.com>www.oregonsolarworks.com
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>On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Jason
>Szumlanski <<mailto:jason at fafcosolar.com>jason at fafcosolar.com> wrote:
>While the interior of a raceway in a wet
>location is considered a wet location, the
>interior of a NEMA 3R enclosure is not.. The
>breakers need not be listed for use in wet
>locations. That's the interpretation of all area
>AHJs here, and there is tons of evidence to
>support this logical conclusion (NM cable into
>exterior mounted NEMA 3R disconnects, switch
>enclosures; NEMA 1 enclosures inside larger NEMA 3R enclosures, etc.)
>
>I hope I didn't just open a can or worms... :)
>
>Jason Szumlanski
>
>âFafco Solarâ
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>On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Glenn Burt
><<mailto:glenn..burt at glbcc.com>glenn.burt at glbcc.com> wrote:
>
>Are these breakers listed for use in wet locations?
>
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>From:
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>On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
>Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:51 PM
>To: <mailto:chris at solarandwindfx.com>chris at solarandwindfx.com; RE-wrenches
>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless NEMA4x load center, SolarDeck w/ breakers
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>Here is exactly what I ordered:
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>(1) RST0760-41AD Soladeck AC/DC Combiner Box
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>(1) RST0784AC-3K Soladeck AC 3 Circuit Busbar Kit
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>(2) RST1455.20 ABB Mini Circuit Breaker 120/240VAC 20A
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>(1) RST1455.15 ABB Mini Circuit Breaker 120/240VAC 15A
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>(1) RST1440..080 Soladeck Power Block 600V 80A
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>âThis model has a cover that is bumped out to
>fit breakers. Here is a pic of the closed up box.
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>Inline image 1
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>Again, I'm not really happy with the way I
>brought the Enphase cables into this
>âSoladeck. The knockout center-points provided
>by the manufacturer are too close together to
>accommodate five water-tight glands, so I used
>some offsets to make more space. If it wasn't my
>own house, I would have wanted it to look much prettier for a customer.
>
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>One thing I highly recommend is along the top
>and sides to use sealant as indicated in the
>manual, then sprinkle a generous amount of
>granules in the sealant. Otherwise the cover and
>your fingers get gummed up when taking the cover off.
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>âThe manufacturer's website and documentation
>is woefully inadequate for this product. They
>need to clarify it, obviously, based on this
>discussion if they want to sell more. It's a great solution IMO.â
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>Jason Szumlanskâi
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>Fafco Solar
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>On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Chris Schaefer
><<mailto:chris at solarandwindfx.com>chris at solarandwindfx.com> wrote:
>
>Jason,
>
>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I love the picture. Just
>ran into this a few days ago on an install. Had
>two older SolarDeck Model 0780 in stock. I had
>the same two pole breakers and attempted to
>install them here in the shop before I went out
>to the project as I was afraid their height
>would not allow the cover to seal. And it did
>not. It appears you have ABB breakers and I just
>tried them and they donât fit either. Now if
>you look at your link it shows and states fuse
>holders, which do fit. Iâm wondering if the
>newer models in your link are just a little bit
>taller than the older models I had in stock. I
>donât see size specs on their web site. Can
>you please provide the model# you show in your photo?
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>Christopher Schaefer
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>From:
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>On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski
>Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:36
>To: RE-wrenches
>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless NEMA4x load center
>
>Â
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>See my other response, but you should definitely
>consider SolaDeck in this case.. You wantÂ
>SolaDeck Model 0786-41. Make sure you order the
>correct breakers, bus bars, and Neutral terminal block.
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><http://www.rstcenterprises.com/soladeck/products/1741_combiner_enclosure.phtml>http://www.rstcenterprises.com/soladeck/products/1741_combiner_enclosure.phtml
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>âThe attached picture is the Soladeck on my
>3-string âEnphase system at home (note:
>neutral block was not on DIN rail yet). There
>are four neutrals on the bottom of the N block
>because I center-fed one inverter string, so I
>had four sets of Enphase cable coming into the
>box, which is admittedly a little tight. If you
>need to do this, I recommend transitioning to
>THWN in a separate combiner and just bringing in
>three strings through one or two conduits.
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>On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Kirpal Khalsa
><<mailto:solarworks at gmail.com>solarworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Drake.....we want it to mount flush to the slope
>of a sloped roof....The NEMA 3R are supposed to
>be mounted vertically....This is for a large
>residential Enphase system and we wanted to
>combine the circuits on the roof and bring one set of conductors down.....
>
>I did find one custom made by Eaton(Cutler
>Hammer), but....$952 my cost is too much..I have
>had them make me one out of fiberglass in the
>past but it is about 3 years into its roof mount
>life and showing signs of UV
>degradation...looking for other options....I
>think i will dig a little deeper at Midnite
>Solar.....They may have something....Theirs and
>Outback's PV combiners are rated to be mounted
>at a slope....i think it is down to 14 degrees pitch (3/12)
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Sunny Regards,
>Kirpal Khalsa
>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>Renewable Energy Systems
><http://www.oregonsolarworks.com>www.oregonsolarworks.com
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>On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Drake
><<mailto:drake.chamberlin at redwoodalliance.org>drake.chamberlin at redwoodalliance.org>
>wrote:
>
>That would be a nice piece of hardware. Is there
>any reason you can't use a NEMA 3R panel? They
>are used on roofs quite a bit, and are readily
>available. The Square D, 8 space, outdoor box
>should work in most rooftop environments for the purpose you describe.Â
>
>
>At 06:18 PM 4/21/2014, you wrote:
>
>Hello Friends!
>Anyone have a lead for NEMA 4x stainless load
>centers (electrical panel)? Ã Looking for 4
>circuit version rated at about 60-100A @ 240VAC.
>
>
>Would like to use it for rooftop combiner for 3
>Enphase inverter output circuits.
>Thank you!!
>
>Sunny Regards,
>Kirpal Khalsa
>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>Renewable Energy Systems
><http://www.oregonsolarworks.com>www.oregonsolarworks.com
><tel:541-218-0201>541-218-0201
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