[RE-wrenches] Stainless NEMA4x load center, SolarDeck w/ breakers

Thu Apr 24 12:19:41 PDT 2014

If you are mounting under panels (which is my preference to keep it out of
the elements and for aesthetics), I still recommend the Soladeck. It
accepts other DIN rail mounted breakers... shop around...

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On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Kirpal Khalsa <solarworks at gmail.com> wrote:

> Friends,
> I just discovered that Midnite Solar also has a 3 circuit combiner
> mountable down to a 3/12 pitch for AC micros at 240VAC.  They have a
> fingered buss bar that has offsets to catch every other pole on the dual
> pole breaker sets.....in addition it has their external lockable, visible
> disconnect on the exterior of the box.......
>
> So am discovering that there are options......I will probably use the
> midnite solar option as the breakers are a small fraction of the cost of
> the breakers used int he Soladeck...
> Thanks for all the help...
> Cheers,
>
>
> Sunny Regards,
> Kirpal Khalsa
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> Renewable Energy Systems
> www.oregonsolarworks.com
> 541-218-0201 m
> 541-299-0402 o
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Jason Szumlanski <jason at fafcosolar.com>wrote:
>
>> While the interior of a raceway in a wet location is considered a wet
>> location, the interior of a NEMA 3R enclosure is not. The breakers need not
>> be listed for use in wet locations. That's the interpretation of all area
>> AHJs here, and there is tons of evidence to support this logical conclusion
>> (NM cable into exterior mounted NEMA 3R disconnects, switch enclosures;
>> NEMA 1 enclosures inside larger NEMA 3R enclosures, etc.)
>>
>> I hope I didn't just open a can or worms... :)
>>
>> Jason Szumlanski
>>
>> Fafco Solar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Glenn Burt <glenn.burt at glbcc.com<glenn...burt at glbcc.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Are these breakers listed for use in wet locations?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:
>>> re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason
>>> Szumlanski
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:51 PM
>>> *To:* chris at solarandwindfx.com; RE-wrenches
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless NEMA4x load center, SolarDeck w/
>>> breakers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is exactly what I ordered:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (1) RST0760-41AD Soladeck AC/DC Combiner Box
>>>
>>> (1) RST0784AC-3K Soladeck AC 3 Circuit Busbar Kit
>>>
>>> (2) RST1455.20 ABB Mini Circuit Breaker 120/240VAC 20A
>>>
>>> (1) RST1455.15 ABB Mini Circuit Breaker 120/240VAC 15A
>>>
>>> (1) RST1440..080 Soladeck Power Block 600V 80A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This model has a cover that is bumped out to fit breakers. Here is a
>>> pic of the closed up box.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, I'm not really happy with the way I brought the Enphase cables
>>> into this Soladeck. The knockout center-points provided by the
>>> manufacturer are too close together to accommodate five water-tight
>>> glands, so I used some offsets to make more space. If it wasn't my own
>>> house, I would have wanted it to look much prettier for a customer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing I highly recommend is along the top and sides to use sealant
>>> as indicated in the manual, then sprinkle a generous amount of granules in
>>> the sealant. Otherwise the cover and your fingers get gummed up when taking
>>> the cover off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The manufacturer's website and documentation is woefully inadequate
>>> for this product. They need to clarify it, obviously, based on this
>>> discussion if they want to sell more. It's a great solution IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>>
>>> Fafco Solar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Chris Schaefer <
>>> chris at solarandwindfx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>>             I love the picture. Just ran into this a few days ago on an
>>> install. Had two older SolarDeck Model 0780 in stock. I had the same two
>>> pole breakers and attempted to install them here in the shop before I went
>>> out to the project as I was afraid their height would not allow the cover
>>> to seal. And it did not. It appears you have ABB breakers and I just tried
>>> them and they don’t fit either. Now if you look at your link it shows and
>>> states fuse holders, which do fit. I’m wondering if the newer models in
>>> your link are just a little bit taller than the older models I had in
>>> stock. I don’t see size specs on their web site. Can you please provide the
>>> model# you show in your photo?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Christopher Schaefer
>>>
>>>                                 Chris Schaefer’s
>>>
>>> [image: SolarWindFX]
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> *www.solarandwindfx.com <http://www.solarandwindfx.com> ~ E-mail:
>>> chris at solarandwindfx.com <chris at solarandwindfx.com>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said,
>>> "democracy" will cease to
>>> exist
>>>                      when you take away from those who are willing to work
>>> and give to those who would not."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:
>>> re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason
>>> Szumlanski
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:36
>>> *To:* RE-wrenches
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless NEMA4x load center
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> See my other response, but you should definitely consider SolaDeck in
>>> this case.. You want SolaDeck Model 0786-41. Make sure you order the
>>> correct breakers, bus bars, and Neutral terminal block.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.rstcenterprises.com/soladeck/products/1741_combiner_enclosure.phtml
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The attached picture is the Soladeck on my 3-string Enphase system at
>>> home (note: neutral block was not on DIN rail yet). There are four neutrals
>>> on the bottom of the N block because I center-fed one inverter string, so I
>>> had four sets of Enphase cable coming into the box, which is admittedly a
>>> little tight. If you need to do this, I recommend transitioning to THWN in
>>> a separate combiner and just bringing in three strings through one or two
>>> conduits.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>>
>>> Fafco Sola
>>>
>>> r
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Kirpal Khalsa <solarworks at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Drake.....we want it to mount flush to the slope of a sloped roof....The
>>> NEMA 3R are supposed to be mounted vertically....This is for a large
>>> residential Enphase system and we wanted to combine the circuits on the
>>> roof and bring one set of conductors down.....
>>>
>>> I did find one custom made by Eaton(Cutler Hammer), but....$952 my cost
>>> is too much..I have had them make me one out of fiberglass in the past but
>>> it is about 3 years into its roof mount life and showing signs of UV
>>> degradation...looking for other options....I think i will dig a little
>>> deeper at Midnite Solar.....They may have something....Theirs and Outback's
>>> PV combiners are rated to be mounted at a slope....i think it is down to 14
>>> degrees pitch (3/12)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sunny Regards,
>>> Kirpal Khalsa
>>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>>> Renewable Energy Systems
>>> www.oregonsolarworks.com
>>>
>>> 541-218-0201 m
>>> 541-299-0402 o
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Drake <
>>> drake.chamberlin at redwoodalliance.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> That would be a nice piece of hardware. Is there any reason you can't
>>> use a NEMA 3R panel?  They are used on roofs quite a bit, and are readily
>>> available.  The Square D, 8 space, outdoor box should work in most rooftop
>>> environments for the purpose you describe.
>>>
>>>
>>> At 06:18 PM 4/21/2014, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Friends!
>>> Anyone have a lead for* NEMA 4x* stainless load centers (electrical
>>> panel)? Â Looking for 4 circuit version rated at about 60-100A @ 240VAC.
>>>
>>>
>>> Would like to use it for rooftop combiner for 3 Enphase inverter output
>>> circuits.
>>> Thank you!!
>>>
>>> Sunny Regards,
>>> Kirpal Khalsa
>>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>>> Renewable Energy Systems
>>> www.oregonsolarworks.com
>>> 541-218-0201
>>>
>>> ______________
>>>
>>>
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