[RE-wrenches] Where's Santa?

frenergy frenergy at psln.com
Thu Dec 13 11:40:05 PST 2012


Uh oh,  I can see it now.....a bunch of working guys that already have truckloads of tools, but are always hoping for an excuse to buy another one.  You KNOW you need it, yeah that IR camera because not only is it going to find rafters, but you can also find bad wire landings, circuit breakers, wire nut connections, PV hotspots, you've always wondered how much heat that north wall is losing, the list goes on.  You may as well get out the checkbook....already ordered mine.

Bill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kirpal Khalsa 
  To: RE-wrenches 
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template


  Mac......Do you have a brand and model of IR Camera that you are happy with.....This seems like a very useful tool if it will show you the layout of the rafters below, from above....I will have to have a talk with Santa! 
  Thanks.

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  Sunny Regards,
  Kirpal Khalsa
  Renewable Energy Systems


  On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Mac Lewis <maclewis1 at gmail.com> wrote:

    Your bullet-proof rafter finder is an IR camera.  It seems to always work, its just very expensive.  Try it out if you get a chance.



    On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Solar Energy Solutions <solarenergysolutions at yahoo.com> wrote:

      What the industry needs and I would do anything to find is some kind of a bullet proof rooftop rafter finder.  Imagine the time saved and pilot holes gone the way of the Doe Doe.  

      Santa? 
      Andrew Koyaanisqatsi
      President
      Solar Energy Solutions, Inc.
      Since 1987,
      Moving Portland and Beyond 
      to an Environmentally Sustainable Future.
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      "Better one's House too little one day
      than too big all the Year after."
        


      From: Mark Dickson <Mark at OasisMontana.com>
      To: 'RE-wrenches' <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> 
      Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:37 AM

      Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Pilot Hole Template



      Sounds like you already have the equipment.  But perhaps next time consider DPW’s Easy Feet.  They are made to tech-screw right into the decking without having to hit the truss.  Come pre-made with EPDM.  Just snap a line, set and screw.  Obviously you will need to do some math to make sure your decking material is substantial as well as anchored well to the blue board.  I have not used them yet, but will be putting up 20kW next month and will report back.  That being said, anybody else have experience to report with them?

      Best regards,

      Mark Dickson,
      NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ™
      Oasis Montana Inc.

      From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Dahl
      Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:33 PM
      To: RE-wrenches
      Subject: Re: [ RE-wrenches ] Pilot Hole Template

      Thanks Chris,

      I did the same as far as verifying layout of the beams, they are all the same center to center, so that helps when snapping lines on the roof, we've been using the quickmount jig for a few hours and haven't missed yet, so I think we got it.  

      Thanks all!

      Jesse  

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Chris" <chris at solarwindworks.com> wrote:
        Hi Jesse,
        We just finished a similar roof mount project but had the good fortune to be going into 6x14 beams at “ 48” o.c. “. I put the on center dimension in quotes loosely, and spent a couple hours prior to drilling the first hole checking layout of the beams, directly under where we’d be drilling. The ceiling rafters varied in layout an inch to 8” so this paid off!!!
        We used a 12” x 3/16” pilot bit, for our 8” Simpson SDS galv lags. I eyeballed the angle into the beam, approx 10°, as we had 4 bolts in each 1.5” pipe flange base to land into the beams. The trick is having the 8” lag bolt follow the hole into the 2x6 pine decking and beam. This wasn’t as hard to do as we first thought it would be, and didn’t miss a one.
        Hitting a 3x10 is going to be trickier, and your jig should help immensely. 

        Sincerely,

        Chris Worcester
        Solar Wind Works
        NABCEP Certified PV Installer
        Phone: 530-582-4503
        Fax: 530-582-4603

        http://www.solarwindworks.com/
        chris at solarwindworks.com
        "Proven Energy Solutions"

        From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Dahl
        Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:54 AM
        To: RE-wrenches
        Subject: Re: [ RE-wrenches ] Pilot Hole Template

        Since this job was a spec job and the materials are already here, I need to use the quick mount, so.  I took a quick mount, inserted a 1/2" EMT coupling (after some filing) and stuck a 8" piece of 1/2" EMT in the coupling Nd tightened it down. Checked it with my square to ensure it is coming out of the flashing square to the world.  I haven't drilled a hole yet, but will update.  

        Jesse

        Sent from my iPhone

        On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Jason Szumlanski <jason at fafcosolar.com> wrote:
          We just completed a job with Eco-65's. It took about 12 man-days to install 200 of the base plates and L-Feet on a flat roof with wood blocks on a metal deck with about 3" total from the rolled roof surface to the metal deck. We custom-cut patches to go over the metal flashing supplied with the base plate. 

          Email me privately if you would like some pictures.

          The materials are not cheap, but the installation was quite smooth and did not require getting into the drop-ceiling or displacing office workers below. We used 6" OMG extra heavy duty fasteners (part no. XHD006B).

          Jason Szumlanski 
          Fafco Solar 

          On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Will White <William.White at realgoods.com> wrote:
          Have you looked at EcoFastens Eco-65 plate?  We used them on a roof similar to what you’ve got and went right into the 2x6 so we didn’t have to go into the structural members.  They’ve got a flashing that will work with asphalt roofs.

          Just make sure you get the right length fasteners so it doesn’t go through the finished ceiling inside.

          Thanks,
          Will

          __________________________________________________________________________________________
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          Regional Field Operations Manager – New England

          Real Goods Solar
          64 Main St.
          Montpelier, VT 05602
          Tel: (802) 223-7804
          Cell: (802) 234-3167
          http://www.realgoodssolar.com/



          From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Dahl
          Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:01 PM
          To: RE-wrenches
          Subject: [ RE-wrenches ] Pilot Hole Template

          Hello,

          The roof I'm currently working on is not a typical roof.  The construction is as follows:

          2"x6" tongue and groove exposed inside, with 4 inches of foam (blue board) and on top of that 3/4" plywood with asphalt shingles on top of that.

          I'd like to make a template to ensure that my pilot bit doesn't wander when I'm going through the blue board.  If I miss the beams inside, the hole or the lag would be exposed.  

          Anybody run across this? Ideas?  I thought of maybe using a qucikmount flashing, with a short section of EMT attached to help guide the bit....

          Thanks!

          Jesse

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