[RE-wrenches] De-Sulphators. The last word?

[Drake]

I've had success with EDTA and sulfated battery banks.  In more than 
one case, EDTA created a major change in the way the batteries 
accepted charge.  Previous to use, battery voltage would go high 
immediately.  After treatment, voltage would increase slowly.

This method has proven good for getting a dying bank through a 
winter.  It hasn't turned worn out batteries into a new bank.

At 05:16 PM 5/28/2012, you wrote:
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>If this is a fancy name for EDTA, perhaps 10 years ago I went 
>through virtually all of the previous 15 years of Chemical Abstracts 
>to see if there were ANY reference to its working. And while there 
>were hundreds of scholarly abstracts on lead acid chemistry, there 
>was only 1 that mentioned EDTA and that was a mixed review and 
>attributed any benefit to the ion with which EDTA was combined as a 
>salt. Like desulfators, there may be anecdotal hearsay, but little science.
>
>Bill Dorsett
>Sunwrights
>Manhattan, KS
>
>From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org 
>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hill
>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:33 PM
>To: RE-wrenches
>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] De-Sulphators. The last word?
>
>Try Thermoil deslphator additive. Has good reviews. We are selling it.
>
>Jon Hill
>Sierra Solar Systems
>
>On May 28, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power 
>Systems"<<mailto:larry at starlightsolar.com>larry at starlightsolar.com> wrote:
>Dan,
>
>I'm perplexed. Where was anything mentioned about de-sulphators? 
>Where was anyone "slammed"? What in the world are you talking about? 
>Perhaps you meant to reply to someone else's thread. BTW, I do not 
>recommend a desulfator or pulser be installed on batteries.
>
>I'll reiterate my points:
>1. KC-120's from a certain production era fail and can be warranted.
>2. Applying enough load will cause full current to flow from a PV array.
>3. Sulfated batteries have high resistance causing a quick rise in voltage.
>
>I welcome your response but please reply off list.
>
>Respectfully yours,
>
>Larry
>
>On May 28, 2012, at 6:42 AM, 
><<mailto:dan at foxfire-energy.com>dan at foxfire-energy.com> 
><<mailto:dan at foxfire-energy.com>dan at foxfire-energy.com> wrote:
>
>Seems I have a stalwart "Battery Specialist" in the neighborhood 
>still convincing folks that de sulphators are the smartest thing 
>since sliced bread (And slamming anyone who disagrees). In my 
>experience, sparklers have little to no effect on battery longevity 
>and in most cases add unlisted, hazardous and unnecessary wiring 
>devices to a potentially hazardous environment. Is tar and 
>feathering still an acceptable means of dispute resolution.. or am I 
>totally missing something? tks db
>
>Dan Brown
>Foxfire Energy Corp.
>Renewable Energy Systems
>(802)-483-2564
><http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com/>www.Foxfire-Energy.com
>NABCEP #092907-44
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Troubleshooting Off-grid PV
>From: "Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems"
><<mailto:larry at starlightsolar.com>larry at starlightsolar.com>
>Date: Sun, May 27, 2012 7:37 pm
>To: RE-wrenches 
><<mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
>
>Hi Eric,
>
>Check the dates on the KC-120 module label. If any were manufactured 
>between January 1999 and December 2002, they have or will fail. We 
>have been replacing these modules for over 8 years now. There was a 
>defective solder joint during manufacture. Kyocera will still 
>replace them under warranty even though they have no legal 
>requirement to do so. They will ship you remanufactured 120's and 
>pay for return shipping. Contact Kyocera about the procedure.
>
>If the batteries are sulfated, they will not produce the load 
>necessary to drive the current high. Capacity has nothing to do with 
>it; internal resistance does. You can test the array by pulling the 
>voltage down (turn on some big loads) at solar noon. This will force 
>the controller into bulk and reveal the maximum current the array 
>can produce. I think you have two problems here. With bad modules, 
>you may not see much.
>
>It is typical for a controller to transition to float very early in 
>the charge cycle if the battery is sulfated. Look for a fast rise in 
>voltage in the morning. This is an indicator of sulfated battery. A 
>healthy battery will slowly climb in voltage.
>
>Let me k now if you need more understanding about batteries, 
>charging and why MOST of them never see old age. It's my speciality.
>
>Larry Crutcher
>Starlight Solar Power Systems
>(928) 342-9103
>
>
>
>
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Drake Chamberlin
ATHENS ELECTRIC LLC
OH License 44810
CO license 3773
NABCEP Certified PV
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