[RE-wrenches] Male Whip

Eric Thomas solarepiphany at gmail.com
Mon Jan 24 19:06:11 PST 2011


Nick,

This is the verbatim I was given when I inquired with EnPhase about the use
of cut extension cables as male whips. You should contact EnPhase tech
support for yourself to confirm as I was unable to record the gentlemans
name I spoke with. I did however, revisit our installation to parallel the
sub arrays and disconnect the male extension that we configured.
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> 1. Male Whip follow-up (Eric Thomas)
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> 3. Re: Male Whip follow-up (Nick Soleil)
> 4. Re: Thermal question (penobscotsolar at midmaine.com)
> 5. Re: 10A Charge / load controller (bob ellison)
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> 7. Re: 10A Charge / load controller (Warren Lauzon)
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:29:08 -0800
> From: Eric Thomas <solarepiphany at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Male Whip follow-up
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> As a (serious) side note, EnPhase says using a cut extension cable will
void
> the warranty of the entire installation. This is due to the inconsistant
> color coding of the extension cables and whips. The danger of crossing
> phases within the same circuit. Best (and only acceptable) practice is to
> parallel sub arrays.
>
> Eric
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:04:46 -0800
> From: Jonathan Hill <solarjon at gmail.com>
> To: "Allan at positiveenergysolar.com" <Allan at positiveenergysolar.com>,
> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Thermal question
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> Try AEE
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> Jonathan Hill
> Solar applications engineer
> Sierra Solar Systems
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> On Jan 23, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Allan Sindelar <allan at positiveenergysolar.com>
wrote:
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>> Wrenches,
>> Who is a good wholesale source for El-Sid DC circulator pumps, preferably
who also carries replacement drivers?
>> Who has been a good source for thermal components and materials in
general?
>> Thanks,
>> Allan
>> --
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>> Allan at positiveenergysolar.com
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:13:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Nick Soleil <nicksoleilsolar at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Male Whip follow-up
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> Hello Eric:
> Would you please provide a reference to the literature where Enphase says,

> "using a cut extension cable will void the warranty of the entire
> installation." I didn't see anything in the installation manual. Also,
Enphase
> did recommend the application to me. It was actually pretty easy to make
the
> connections without 'crossing phases.'
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> Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 10:29:08 AM
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Male Whip follow-up
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>
> As a (serious) side note, EnPhase says using a cut extension cable will
void the
> warranty of the entire installation. This is due to the inconsistant color

> coding of the extension cables and whips. The danger of crossing phases
within
> the same circuit. Best (and only acceptable) practice is to parallel sub
arrays.
>
> Eric
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:40:12 -0500 (EST)
> From: penobscotsolar at midmaine.com
> To: Allan at positiveenergysolar.com, "RE-wrenches"
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> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Thermal question
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> I have always bought the El Cid pumps directly from the manufacturer. Ivan
> Labs, Jupiter FL
> (561) 747-5354
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> Daryl
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>> Who is a good wholesale source for El-Sid DC circulator pumps,
>> preferably who also carries replacement drivers?<br>
>> Who has been a good source for thermal components and materials in
>> general?<br>
>> Thanks,<br>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:11:43 -0500
> From: "bob ellison" <reellison at gmail.com>
> To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 10A Charge / load controller
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>>From memory it seems that the max voltage listed in the manual for the Sun
Saver MPPT is 35 volts but I don?t have it handy.
>
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> Bob Ellison
>
>
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:
re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Starlight Solar,
Larry Crutcher
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:38 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 10A Charge / load controller
>
>
>
> I have had failures with the Sunsaver MPPT. I have used them with a single
Sanyo module in small battery systems. Perhaps they just can't handle the
50.9 Voc.
>
>
>
> Larry
>
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Maverick Brown [Maverick Solar] <mailto:maverick at mavericksolar.com>
>
> To: RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:38 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 10A Charge / load controller
>
>
>
> Try SunSaver MPPT.
>
> 15 amps, MPPT and load control (or light) control
>
>
>
> Use the MSC to connect the controller to your PC and adjust many settings
and get log data.
>
>
>
> We use a lot of them and have had very few issues.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Maverick
>
>
>
>
>
> Maverick Brown
>
> BSEET, NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ?
>
> President & CEO
>
> Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.
>
> Office: 512-919-4493
>
> Cell: 512-460-9825
>
>
>
> Sent from an iPhone.
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:37 PM, "Jason Szumlanski" <Jason at fafcosolar.com>
wrote:
>
> I?m looking for a ~10A charge controller for a 12V battery with adjustable
LVD that goes up to at least 12V. Priorities in order are:
>
> 1. Small in size
>
> 2. Good
>
> 3. Cheap
>
> The best I can come up with now is the Xantrex C12. Looking for
alternatives. Recommendations?
>
> Jason Szumlanski
>
> Fafco Solar
>
>
>
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> From: Kent Osterberg <kent at coveoregon.com>
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> From: "Warren Lauzon" <warren at wind-sun.com>
> To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 10A Charge / load controller
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> All controllers have failures ? most commonly due to user/installer
errors. Of all the controllers we sell, Morningstar have been by far the
most trouble free and has the best no-hassle warranty.
>
> We have probably sold/installed around 100 to 200 of the SS-MPPT-15
controllers over the past year or so, and have seen almost zero problems
that were not caused by a bad installation of some sort. Just on a side
note, of all the controllers of all brands we have sold over the past
decade, probably 3/4 of those returned by end users as ?not working? has
nothing wrong with them.
>
>
> From: Kent Osterberg
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:39 AM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 10A Charge / load controller
>
> The spec sheet for the SS-MPPT says 75 volts maximum open circuit. Maximum
PV power: 200 watts for 12-volt batteries and 400-watts for 24-volt
batteries. While it is supposed to be protected from PV overload and PV high
voltage, it doesn't seem surprising that failures that have been observed
are in systems that are pushing on these limits. Fortunately, Morningstar
stands behind their product.
>
> Kent Osterberg
> Blue Mountain Solar, Inc.
>
>
> bob ellison wrote:
> From memory it seems that the max voltage listed in the manual for the Sun
Saver MPPT is 35 volts but I don?t have it handy.
>
>
>
> Bob Ellison
>
>
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:
re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Starlight Solar,
Larry Crutcher
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:38 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 10A Charge / load controller
>
>
>
> I have had failures with the Sunsaver MPPT. I have used them with a single
Sanyo module in small battery systems. Perhaps they just can't handle the
50.9 Voc.
>
>
>
> Larry
>
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Maverick Brown [Maverick Solar]
>
> To: RE-wrenches
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:38 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 10A Charge / load controller
>
>
>
> Try SunSaver MPPT.
>
> 15 amps, MPPT and load control (or light) control
>
>
>
> Use the MSC to connect the controller to your PC and adjust many settings
and get log data.
>
>
>
> We use a lot of them and have had very few issues.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Maverick
>
>
>
>
>
> Maverick Brown
>
> BSEET, NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ?
>
> President & CEO
>
> Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.
>
> Office: 512-919-4493
>
> Cell: 512-460-9825
>
>
>
> Sent from an iPhone.
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:37 PM, "Jason Szumlanski" <Jason at fafcosolar.com>
wrote:
>
> I?m looking for a ~10A charge controller for a 12V battery with adjustable
LVD that goes up to at least 12V. Priorities in order are:
>
> 1. Small in size
>
> 2. Good
>
> 3. Cheap
>
> The best I can come up with now is the Xantrex C12. Looking for
alternatives. Recommendations?
>
> Jason Szumlanski
>
> Fafco Solar
>
>
>
>
>
>
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