[RE-wrenches] Wind Gennies

Tue Jul 27 14:58:02 PDT 2010

I second Travis's comments and add "I do not have the
confidence to install this unit at my home due to the lack
of positive or current information".  I also add that "it is
a mechanical device and like your car or truck it will
definitely need regular service. Are you prepared to deal
with this or have me deal with it for you?"

Finding the perfect wind gen is like the perfect car or
truck . It has not and will not ever be built. 

Some are better than others and none are perfect.

Thanks,  Dana Orzel

Great Solar Works, Inc

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf
Of Travis Creswell
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:46 PM
To: 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?

Sorry to chime in late.

Even though I'm not familiar with the turbine in question I
agree with others are saying and I would like to offer a
suggestion in hopes that it will help others as much as has
me.

I finally realized that the there was no way to convince
most people that the wind turbine they were asking about
wasn't the one that had figured what thousands of others
before them couldn't.  I also realized that most people
think I'm an fool when I tell them that the fancy website
full of expertly wordsmithed press releases and pictures of
the wind turbine in question with a celebrity/high level
government officials (Ed, Jay, Arnold) are taking a lot of
liberties with the truth and the laws of physics.

For me personally I've found that it's very effective and
respectful to reply to these inquiries with something
similar to the following.  "I not familiar with it, you
should ask the dealer or factory for names and addresses of
the ones installed closest to you.  I would certainly spend
at least an afternoon or more visiting an owner at his house
investigating something I was about to spend $xxxx or more
on.  If it's not been installed for at least 12 months or if
they don't or won't discuss their actual production data
with you then I think you know all you need to know"

That's all I say and politely make it clear I've got nothing
else to say about that matter because that's all know.  It's
easier to just play dumb.  Never argue with an idiot, etc.
Of course, I always throw the standard bit about
conservation first and checking around locally for a home
energy auditor, etc.  Most folks immediately get the idea;
give up their quest for the perfect wind turbine and I doubt
spend much more time on the idea of wind or conservation.

Hope that helped someone.

Best, Travis Creswell

Ozark Energy Services

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Daum
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:40 PM
To: 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?

With all the alleged information on their web site, I
couldn't find any power curves.  And their "contact us" form
was only for folks who had purchased their turbines.

Let the buyer beware!

Chris Daum

Oasis Montana Inc.

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf
Of Roy Butler
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:39 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?

Todd,

We're still waiting for verifiable 3rd party energy
production data on this turbine.
Until that happens, this turbine stays on my "not ready for
prime time" list.
As of today, Helix has not seen fit to file a notice of
intent to certify with the
SWCC. Keep an eye on that list and the eventual certified
turbine list, both will
 be very helpful in the future for weeding out the scams.
www.smallwindcertification.org

"Revolutionary" may be a good description for kinetic lawn
art but doesn't
tell us a thing about it's ability to produce kilowatt hours
to the grid.

What is it about human nature that makes people believe that
the weirder
the design, the better it must be? And that "breakthrough"
technology is
the best technology?

Have fun with this customer!

Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Solar PV InstallerR
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46
Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747

www.four-winds-energy.com

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message, 
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

On 7/24/2010 12:36 PM, Todd Cory wrote: 

Sorry to bother the list with this kind of BS, but I have a
client who insists this is a revolutionary wind machine
design that is not a yard art scam. Feedback?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9flSPAdOLk

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