[RE-wrenches] wind scam?

[Travis Creswell]

Sorry to chime in late.

 

Even though I'm not familiar with the turbine in question I agree with
others are saying and I would like to offer a suggestion in hopes that it
will help others as much as has me.

 

I finally realized that the there was no way to convince most people that
the wind turbine they were asking about wasn't the one that had figured what
thousands of others before them couldn't.  I also realized that most people
think I'm an fool when I tell them that the fancy website full of expertly
wordsmithed press releases and pictures of the wind turbine in question with
a celebrity/high level government officials (Ed, Jay, Arnold) are taking a
lot of liberties with the truth and the laws of physics.

 

For me personally I've found that it's very effective and respectful to
reply to these inquiries with something similar to the following.  "I not
familiar with it, you should ask the dealer or factory for names and
addresses of the ones installed closest to you.  I would certainly spend at
least an afternoon or more visiting an owner at his house investigating
something I was about to spend $xxxx or more on.  If it's not been installed
for at least 12 months or if they don't or won't discuss their actual
production data with you then I think you know all you need to know"

 

That's all I say and politely make it clear I've got nothing else to say
about that matter because that's all know.  It's easier to just play dumb.
Never argue with an idiot, etc. Of course, I always throw the standard bit
about conservation first and checking around locally for a home energy
auditor, etc.  Most folks immediately get the idea; give up their quest for
the perfect wind turbine and I doubt spend much more time on the idea of
wind or conservation.

 

Hope that helped someone.

 

Best, Travis Creswell

Ozark Energy Services

 

 

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Daum
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:40 PM
To: 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?

 

With all the alleged information on their web site, I couldn't find any
power curves.  And their "contact us" form was only for folks who had
purchased their turbines.

 

Let the buyer beware!

 

Chris Daum

Oasis Montana Inc.

 

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Roy Butler
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:39 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?

Todd,

We're still waiting for verifiable 3rd party energy production data on this
turbine.
Until that happens, this turbine stays on my "not ready for prime time"
list.
As of today, Helix has not seen fit to file a notice of intent to certify
with the
SWCC. Keep an eye on that list and the eventual certified turbine list, both
will
 be very helpful in the future for weeding out the scams.
www.smallwindcertification.org

"Revolutionary" may be a good description for kinetic lawn art but doesn't
tell us a thing about it's ability to produce kilowatt hours to the grid.

What is it about human nature that makes people believe that the weirder
the design, the better it must be? And that "breakthrough" technology is
the best technology?

Have fun with this customer!




Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Solar PV InstallerR
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46
Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747
 
www.four-winds-energy.com
 
Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, 
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
 
                


On 7/24/2010 12:36 PM, Todd Cory wrote: 

Sorry to bother the list with this kind of BS, but I have a client who
insists this is a revolutionary wind machine design that is not a yard art
scam. Feedback?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9flSPAdOLk



 
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