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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry to chime in late.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Even though I’m not familiar with
the turbine in question I agree with others are saying and I would like to offer
a suggestion in hopes that it will help others as much as has me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I finally realized that the there was no way
to convince most people that the wind turbine they were asking about wasn’t
the one that had figured what thousands of others before them couldn’t.
I also realized that most people think I’m an fool when I tell them that
the fancy website full of expertly wordsmithed press releases and pictures of
the wind turbine in question with a celebrity/high level government officials
(Ed, Jay, Arnold) are taking a lot of liberties with the truth and the laws of
physics.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For me personally I’ve found that
it’s very effective and respectful to reply to these inquiries with something
similar to the following. <i><span style='font-style:italic'>“I not
familiar with it, you should ask the dealer or factory for names and addresses
of the ones installed closest to you. I would certainly spend at least an
afternoon or more visiting an owner at his house investigating something I was
about to spend $xxxx or more on. If it’s not been installed for at
least 12 months or if they don’t or won’t discuss their actual
production data with you then I think you know all you need to know”<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-style:italic'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That’s all I say and politely make
it clear I’ve got nothing else to say about that matter because that’s
all know. It’s easier to just play dumb. Never argue with an
idiot, etc. Of course, I always throw the standard bit about conservation first
and checking around locally for a home energy auditor, etc. Most folks
immediately get the idea; give up their quest for the perfect wind turbine and I
doubt spend much more time on the idea of wind or conservation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope that helped someone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best, Travis Creswell<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ozark Energy Services<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chris Daum<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:40
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName>]
wind scam?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>With all the
alleged information on their web site, I couldn't find <strong><b><font
face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>any</span></font></b></strong>
power curves. And their "contact us" form was only for folks
who had purchased their turbines.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>Let the buyer
beware!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>Chris Daum</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>Oasis Montana
Inc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Roy Butler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 24, 2010
11:39 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">RE-wrenches</st1:PersonName>] wind scam?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Todd,<br>
<br>
We're still waiting for verifiable 3rd party energy production data on this
turbine.<br>
Until that happens, this turbine stays on my "not ready for prime time"
list.<br>
As of today, Helix has not seen fit to file a notice of intent to certify with
the<br>
SWCC. Keep an eye on that list and the eventual certified turbine list, both
will<br>
be very helpful in the future for weeding out the scams.<br>
<a href="http://www.smallwindcertification.org">www.smallwindcertification.org</a><br>
<br>
"Revolutionary" may be a good description for kinetic lawn art but
doesn't<br>
tell us a thing about it's ability to produce kilowatt hours to the grid.<br>
<br>
What is it about human nature that makes people believe that the weirder<br>
the design, the better it must be? And that "breakthrough" technology
is<br>
the best technology?<br>
<br>
Have fun with this customer!<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Roy Butler<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>8902 Route 46<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Arkport</span></font></st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">NY</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">14807</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>607-324-9747<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com">www.four-winds-energy.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
On 7/24/2010 12:36 PM, Todd Cory wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sorry to bother the list with this kind of BS, but I
have a client who insists this is a revolutionary wind machine design that is
not a yard art scam. Feedback?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9flSPAdOLk" moz-do-not-send=true>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9flSPAdOLk</a><br>
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