[RE-wrenches] AC breakers used in DC applications

jay peltz jay at asis.com
Mon May 17 07:23:56 PDT 2010


HI Drake

I don't know if this could apply to your situation, but I've seen the QO/QOU fail from debris getting into the breaker itself.
Around here there are insects that deposit mud into small openings, like on those breakers.
I've seen this cause the breakers to fail.

jay

peltz power
On May 17, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Drake Chamberlin wrote:

> The QO breaker I saw fail was a disconnect switch for an Air 303.  The run from the battery bank was substantial, and the wire was number 10.  At the time, I calculated the amperage available (I -V/R)   and the short circuit current available was not close to the 5000 amp AIC of the breaker for its DC rating.
> 
> At 06:13 PM 5/16/2010, you wrote:
>> Voltage is not the issue here, it is current, and battery fault currents can be staggering - far more than one would ever encounter in a typical AC system fed from a distribution transformer.  I have seen a 200A Class T fail to act on an 48V inverter fault which resulted in welding the metal tabs of the fuse holder (which had been greased with copper-laden Penetrox E) to their sockets.  That indicates a fault current well north of 200,000 amps, quite possibly sseveral times that.   A fire ensued, which triggered the gas protection system and fortunately resulted in almost no peripheral damage.  It did cost about $10k to recharge and recertify the Inergen system.  The inverter manufacturer was quite cagey on warranty replacement until they saw the photos - at which point a replacement miraculously arrived by overnight air.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 15, 2010, at 9:43 , Drake Chamberlin wrote:
>> 
>>> I did see a QO breaker fail to trip on a 24 volt DC system with only battery voltage behind it.  It burned a #12 wire completely in two.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The 48v is a max rating not a nominal rating.
>>>> So yes only good for 12 and 24v systems.
>>>> 
>>>> However with CBI breakers I don't understand why the need for QO for DC anymore?
>>>> 
>>>> jay
>>>> 
>>>> peltz power
>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Rebekah Hren wrote:
>>> 
>>> Drake Chamberlin
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