[RE-wrenches] NABCEP

[Joel Davidson]

Hello Michael,

I think that only technically proficient people should be allowed to post 
directly to RE-wrenches. Wrench concerns about NABCEP will continue along 
with our concerns about UL, NFPA/NEC, CSI, DOE, IRS, etc. because they 
affect our daily work.  I don't think that it has ever been a problem for 
someone not on the list to get something posted by you, Ezra, Bob-O, and 
others. The free flow of information, ideas, and opinions from "them that's 
doing" is what makes RE-wrenches one of the best RE exchanges on the 
internet.

Thank you for keep the quality technical exchange high and for reining me 
and others in when we get off-subject.

Joel Davidson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Welch" <michael.welch at re-wrenches.org>
To: <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP


> Hello Wrenches. As always, please contact me off list about this subject 
> if you would like to weigh in.
>
> This is your list, and I run it by a consensus of your wishes. If any 
> changes are to be made, I have tried to at least come close to a consensus 
> among the Wrenches (not manufacturer reps) on the list. We now have a 
> proposed change in policy before us.
>
> I am being placed under pressure by Ezra Auerbach to add an otherwise 
> nonqualified NABCEP staff person, Rebecca Eaton, to the Wrench list so she 
> may respond on behalf of NABCEP if Wrenches are discussing anything to do 
> with the org.
>
> First, I often receive membership requests from nonqualified individuals. 
> Unless they are technically proficient, they are respectfully turned down, 
> and have included (among others): the general public, casual installers, 
> academics, trade organization staff, union staff, and now NABCEP staff. I 
> think you have clearly and appropriately drawn the line that we want pros 
> on this list in order to keep the discussion quality high.
>
> Second, the only exceptions to this have been "technically proficient" 
> representatives of the companies that manufacture the equipment that you 
> Wrenches install -- and some time ago, we reached consensus to allow any 
> fully NABCEP-certified individual, working pro or not. Ezra believes that 
> the manufacturers' privilege should be extended to the NABCEP staff 
> person.
>
> Third, I have offered Rebecca, and she accepted, the same thing I offer 
> other nonqualified individuals that might some time want to post to the 
> list: send your post to me, and I will post appropriate messages on their 
> behalf. I have done this several times over the years and in fact, did it 
> for Rebecca once already.
>
> Fourth, there are at least 3 NABCEP board members on this list. While they 
> may not be prepared to respond with the nuts and bolts of NABCEP workings, 
> it seems to me to be good representation on the list. At a minimum, these 
> members could alert their staff, who could then respond through the 
> already-available mechanism mentioned above.
>
> Until now, my efforts had been behind the scenes, but now it has come to a 
> head and I need to involve you because this morning I rejected a list post 
> from Ezra that was an end run around my off-list efforts. Here is that 
> post:
>
>>Hello Wrenches,
>>
>>I'm writing to you all wearing my "Chairperson of NABCEP" hat and wishing 
>>to seek your collective guidance.
>>
>>The question is: Should the Executive Director of NABCEP be able to post 
>>to this list on matters germain to the organization?
>>
>>Following the NABCEP Rant thread our ED tried to get posting access so she 
>>could issue a timely and factual reply. She was turned down and as it 
>>stands today she can not post relevant and informative replies.
>>
>>A very long time ago this list allowed designated representatives from 
>>manufacturers on to this list so they could speak directly when 
>>appropriate and we all have learned good stuff from the ensuing dialogue.
>>
>>It seems ulitmately silly to me that NABCEP Certification "qualifies" for 
>>list posting access but being the ED of the organization does not.
>>
>>Please weigh in with your collective thoughts.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Ezra Auerbach
>
>
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