[RE-wrenches] NABCEP

Michael Welch michael.welch at re-wrenches.org
Fri Feb 13 11:28:58 PST 2009


Hi Folks. Please contact me off list about this. I don't want to clog up the list. Thanks.

Darryl Thayer wrote at 10:47 AM 2/13/2009:
 
>Hi Mike
>I think that NABCEAP is an important part of the solar community, I would vote for them being allowed.  perhaps a limited time access incase there is problems.  
>Darryl
>
>
>--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Michael Welch <michael.welch at re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> From: Michael Welch <michael.welch at re-wrenches.org>
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP
>> To: re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
>> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 12:16 PM
>> Hello Wrenches. As always, please contact me off list about
>> this subject if you would like to weigh in. 
>> 
>> This is your list, and I run it by a consensus of your
>> wishes. If any changes are to be made, I have tried to at
>> least come close to a consensus among the Wrenches (not
>> manufacturer reps) on the list. We now have a proposed
>> change in policy before us.
>> 
>> I am being placed under pressure by Ezra Auerbach to add an
>> otherwise nonqualified NABCEP staff person, Rebecca Eaton,
>> to the Wrench list so she may respond on behalf of NABCEP if
>> Wrenches are discussing anything to do with the org.
>> 
>> First, I often receive membership requests from
>> nonqualified individuals. Unless they are technically
>> proficient, they are respectfully turned down, and have
>> included (among others): the general public, casual
>> installers, academics, trade organization staff, union
>> staff, and now NABCEP staff. I think you have clearly and
>> appropriately drawn the line that we want pros on this list
>> in order to keep the discussion quality high. 
>> 
>> Second, the only exceptions to this have been
>> "technically proficient" representatives of the
>> companies that manufacture the equipment that you Wrenches
>> install -- and some time ago, we reached consensus to allow
>> any fully NABCEP-certified individual, working pro or not.
>> Ezra believes that the manufacturers' privilege should
>> be extended to the NABCEP staff person.
>> 
>> Third, I have offered Rebecca, and she accepted, the same
>> thing I offer other nonqualified individuals that might some
>> time want to post to the list: send your post to me, and I
>> will post appropriate messages on their behalf. I have done
>> this several times over the years and in fact, did it for
>> Rebecca once already.
>> 
>> Fourth, there are at least 3 NABCEP board members on this
>> list. While they may not be prepared to respond with the
>> nuts and bolts of NABCEP workings, it seems to me to be good
>> representation on the list. At a minimum, these members
>> could alert their staff, who could then respond through the
>> already-available mechanism mentioned above.
>> 
>> Until now, my efforts had been behind the scenes, but now
>> it has come to a head and I need to involve you because this
>> morning I rejected a list post from Ezra that was an end run
>> around my off-list efforts. Here is that post:
>> 
>> >Hello Wrenches,
>> >
>> >I'm writing to you all wearing my "Chairperson
>> of NABCEP" hat and wishing to seek your collective
>> guidance.
>> >
>> >The question is: Should the Executive Director of
>> NABCEP be able to post to this list on matters germain to
>> the organization?
>> >
>> >Following the NABCEP Rant thread our ED tried to get
>> posting access so she could issue a timely and factual
>> reply. She was turned down and as it stands today she can
>> not post relevant and informative replies.
>> >
>> >A very long time ago this list allowed designated
>> representatives from manufacturers on to this list so they
>> could speak directly when appropriate and we all have
>> learned good stuff from the ensuing dialogue.
>> >
>> >It seems ulitmately silly to me that NABCEP
>> Certification "qualifies" for list posting access
>> but being the ED of the organization does not.
>> >
>> >Please weigh in with your collective thoughts.
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >
>> >Ezra Auerbach
>> 
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