[RE-wrenches] NABCEP

[Peter Parrish]

I think that it is important not to grant exceptions to our policy. For they
establish a precedent for "Why not me, too?" pleas. Isn't there an employee
of NABCEP who would qualify?

Let's keep the bar high.

- Peter

Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President
California Solar Engineering, Inc.
820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065
Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885
CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26
peter.parrish at calsolareng.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Darryl
Thayer
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:47 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP

Hi Mike
I think that NABCEAP is an important part of the solar community, I would
vote for them being allowed.  perhaps a limited time access incase there is
problems.  
Darryl


--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Michael Welch <michael.welch at re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> From: Michael Welch <michael.welch at re-wrenches.org>
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP
> To: re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 12:16 PM
> Hello Wrenches. As always, please contact me off list about
> this subject if you would like to weigh in. 
> 
> This is your list, and I run it by a consensus of your
> wishes. If any changes are to be made, I have tried to at
> least come close to a consensus among the Wrenches (not
> manufacturer reps) on the list. We now have a proposed
> change in policy before us.
> 
> I am being placed under pressure by Ezra Auerbach to add an
> otherwise nonqualified NABCEP staff person, Rebecca Eaton,
> to the Wrench list so she may respond on behalf of NABCEP if
> Wrenches are discussing anything to do with the org.
> 
> First, I often receive membership requests from
> nonqualified individuals. Unless they are technically
> proficient, they are respectfully turned down, and have
> included (among others): the general public, casual
> installers, academics, trade organization staff, union
> staff, and now NABCEP staff. I think you have clearly and
> appropriately drawn the line that we want pros on this list
> in order to keep the discussion quality high. 
> 
> Second, the only exceptions to this have been
> "technically proficient" representatives of the
> companies that manufacture the equipment that you Wrenches
> install -- and some time ago, we reached consensus to allow
> any fully NABCEP-certified individual, working pro or not.
> Ezra believes that the manufacturers' privilege should
> be extended to the NABCEP staff person.
> 
> Third, I have offered Rebecca, and she accepted, the same
> thing I offer other nonqualified individuals that might some
> time want to post to the list: send your post to me, and I
> will post appropriate messages on their behalf. I have done
> this several times over the years and in fact, did it for
> Rebecca once already.
> 
> Fourth, there are at least 3 NABCEP board members on this
> list. While they may not be prepared to respond with the
> nuts and bolts of NABCEP workings, it seems to me to be good
> representation on the list. At a minimum, these members
> could alert their staff, who could then respond through the
> already-available mechanism mentioned above.
> 
> Until now, my efforts had been behind the scenes, but now
> it has come to a head and I need to involve you because this
> morning I rejected a list post from Ezra that was an end run
> around my off-list efforts. Here is that post:
> 
> >Hello Wrenches,
> >
> >I'm writing to you all wearing my "Chairperson
> of NABCEP" hat and wishing to seek your collective
> guidance.
> >
> >The question is: Should the Executive Director of
> NABCEP be able to post to this list on matters germain to
> the organization?
> >
> >Following the NABCEP Rant thread our ED tried to get
> posting access so she could issue a timely and factual
> reply. She was turned down and as it stands today she can
> not post relevant and informative replies.
> >
> >A very long time ago this list allowed designated
> representatives from manufacturers on to this list so they
> could speak directly when appropriate and we all have
> learned good stuff from the ensuing dialogue.
> >
> >It seems ulitmately silly to me that NABCEP
> Certification "qualifies" for list posting access
> but being the ED of the organization does not.
> >
> >Please weigh in with your collective thoughts.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Ezra Auerbach
> 
> 
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