Here we go again![RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

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Opposition to solar subsidies benefits the petroleum, coal, gas, and nuclear 
industries and further tilts the already unlevel playing field because 
petroleum, coal, gas, and nuclear industries' subsidies are not going away.

Granted, PV is not 50 cents per watt as was predicted in the 1960s, but 
unsubsidized PV watts and kilowatt-hours are cheaper than they were and are 
still coming down. The decrease in price is not as fast as some of us would 
like, but it is enough to finally get the attention of electric utilities.

In the 1980s, the solar industry tried to sell PV to utility companies, but 
they would not buy even though ratepayers were, and still are, willing to 
pay more for solar electricity. The PV industry in California worked hard to 
get a PV net metering law (1996) and get a PV subsidy (1998) to serve 
ratepayers' unfulfilled need. Now that California has a very popular 10-year 
$3 billion PV subsidy and the U.S. PV industry is booming, the electric 
utilities want a piece of the action. Well, they are welcome to join the 
solar world...finally. Perhaps this time they will start buying PV. Just 
make sure your local utility buys PV with their profits and not ratepayer or 
taxpayer subsidies.

Joel Davidson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Walters" <walters at taosnet.com>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Here we go again![RE-wrenches]


>
> If Nuclear had to pay all the costs of final disposal of their waste,  and 
> lost all their govt. research dollars they would be gone.
> If oil had to pay for all its pollution, the war, and lost its 
> subsidies...... it would cost over $10/ gal.
> If coal had to pay for its pollution, environmental damage, and lost  its 
> govt. check.......
> We have been providing energy for decades at a level they could never 
> compete at.
> Lets do some total cost  accounting, and see who is still standing.
> I'm tired of hearing solar isn't competitive.
>
> Ray
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Warren Lauzon wrote:
>
>>
>> But. But... But.....
>>
>> More incentives will make solar panels cheaper!! (At least  according to 
>> some).
>>
>> Which fails to explain why a 4KW grid tie system costs 20% more now  than 
>> it did in 2002 without rebates, or why the paperwork involved  has 
>> increased 10x.
>>
>> ...................................................................... 
>> ............................
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Walters" <walters at taosnet.com>
>> To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: Here we go again![RE-wrenches]
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll throw 2 cents in:
>>> I've been advocating for years now that we remove all incentives  for 
>>> solar (Yes that was remove) but at the same time remove the   incentives 
>>> other energy producers are getting. Lower taxes for  the  citizens, and 
>>> a level playing field, and I think we could  compete  just fine. Every 
>>> time they have some special limited time  offer  incentive it seems to 
>>> bring out the Quick buck zombies from  what ever  hell unleashes 
>>> them....
>>
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