NABCEP test [RE-wrenches]
John Raynes
john at raynes.com
Mon Mar 24 11:36:28 PDT 2008
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OK, I guess I'll bite... just a little.
I took the most recent installer's test. If anyone is interested in my
feedback, I'll be happy to discuss things off-line. Beyond that, at least
as far as public comment is concerned, I'll go with Dan Brown's sage advice
that "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything".
The one comment I will make is this - for those NABCEP wrenches that are
(rightfully) concerned that there will be a flood of new NABCEP'ers with
dubious credentials, I wouldn't worry too much. IMO there were probably a
lot of wrong answers given by test takers (including me), on poorly worded
test questions that were not sufficiently vetted beforehand. It will
probably balance out. That's all I wish to say for now.
John Raynes
RE Solar
Torrey, UT
At 03:08 PM 3/23/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>Well folks.....when i brought up the thread about the current NABCEP
>test it was meant to try to guesstimate how i had done....as it takes
>a while to get back the results.....for me the test was difficult and
>i was expecting it to be difficult.....i had directed a large
>percentage of my studying to the sample test.......I am not sure if
>that is an actual historical test.....any how the test this go around
>was markedly different in theme from the sample test and that is what
>caught me so off guard.....I am hoping i still managed to pull it
>together.......in my case i felt that i could have benefited a lot
>from being given 3 or 4 different sample tests to help study from.
>Only having the one sample test probably led me to guess mistakenly
>what the calculations, themes etc the test would query me on......
>Any how thanks for all your feedback about your experiences with past
>exams and how they may contrast with the present exam.....I am for
>one grateful for the fact that regardless of the outcome i did learn
>and study a lot of info that i am sure will be useful to me as time
>goes by......
>Sunny REgards,
>Kirpal Khalsa
>
>On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Joel Davidson
><joel.davidson at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dan,
> >
> > Thank you for sharing your experiences and your thoughts.
> >
> > Standardized tests use two assessment formats: closed response
> > (multiple-choice, true-false, matching) and open response where students
> > create their own answer to a question or task (essay, short answer,
> > fill-in-the-blank, open-ended math problems, oral presentations, lab
> > experiments, exhibitions, and portfolios). Standardized testing grew in
> > popularity with world population and urbanization. Today, world leaders
> > (many of whom do not take standardized tests or have performed poorly when
> > tested) with the support of the "privileged few" have institutionalized
> > standardized testing despite the fact that it does not allow for personal,
> > local, or cultural differences, having a bad day, not being proficient at
> > tests, not needing group affirmation, or other factors that may result in
> > failure to test of a low score.
> >
> > I may be wrong, but it seems that your continued practice testing, your
> > desire to pass, familiarization with testers' expectations, your
> > persistence, and other factors finally resulted in a passing score. Do you
> > think that studying and passing the test improved your skills and
> on-the-job
> > performance? Are you more critical of other people's job performance since
> > you passed the test? Is Foxfire Energy a member of SEIA or an other
> industry
> > association that lobbies and offers member benefits?
> >
> > Joel Davidson
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Brown"
> > To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: NABCEP test [RE-wrenches]
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I wasn't going to say anything;
> > > I'm one of those folks that took the exam more time's than
> I'd care
> > > to admit. I watched the first round of exams come and go. (I was
> > > discouraged
> > > from participating at the time by my employer -- for some reason.) I got
> > > the
> > > impression the initial success rate was quite high -- certifying most of
> > > the
> > > industry's old timers.
> > > the following year, I pony'd up the cash -- myself, and sat for me
> > > first exam. At the time I had over 35 years experience in Electrical /
> > > Building
> > > Construction -- the last 4 of them installing RE systems full time.
> > > (Including
> > > Four Years of Electronic Warfare experience w/ ASA, A 20 yr. old BA in
> > > Electronic Comm. / Physics, and was in my Senior Year of an Electrical /
> > > Mechanical
> > > Engineering Degree program ). I was scoring well over 90% on the
> practice
> > > exam.
> > > Yes, I was kinda cocky, and yes, I bombed dismally -- not even
> 60%.
> > > I
> > > recall the test seemed unnecessarily elusive and slippery to me.
> Seemed it
> > > had less to do with logical PV installation issues and more to do
> with how
> > > clever the exam's authors were. (Sour Grapes?-- Maybe.) Dismayed? OK.
> > > Anyway, of
> > > the 13+ folks who took the test w/ me, only 1 made the "Certified" list
> > > in this
> > > state. the following few bouts were similar. yes, i did the seminars w/
> > > Brother Bill and John. scores did come up some -- (maddeningly
> within one
> > > point of
> > > passing). but still, it seemed like only 10 - 15% of the testing
> > > candidates
> > > actually made it on this state's "Certified"list.
> > > i did call Pete for advice / recourse (just as he was leaving). He
> > > suggested I contact folks who had previously passed the exam for
> > > assistance.
> > > Which I did? Yes, some have, and continue to be genuinely helpful, but
> > > generally
> > > speaking, most folks viewed my type as competition -- still do.
> > > Finally, last year, (despite discovering that few folks around
> > > here --
> > > outside the RE industry had ever even heard of NABCEP), I took and
> passed
> > > the
> > > Exam. My score was somewhere in the mid 80s as I recall, and yes
> there was
> > > a
> > > noticeable difference in the demeanor of the exam. much more logical and
> > > straight forward. So yes, I'm now one of the "Privileged few" eyeing
> > > these "young
> > > upstarts" coming thru who yes, sometimes can't seem to be able to
> tell the
> > > difference between two kW and two phase, and wondering what's happening.
> > > Not to
> > > mention that they -- as I did, happily work for $14/hr.
> > > Granted, Vermont seems quite a ways from the RE forefront at
> times,
> > > but properly designed and installed PV systems is an industry wide
> > > issue -- one
> > > i thought NABCEP is to address. but from my perspective, what's actually
> > > happened -- at least in these parts, has been that NABCEP seems to have
> > > unintentionally offered a leg up for good slippery test takers, and the
> > > good old boys,
> > > and left we newbies scratching our -- chins.
> > > well, me grandma used to say "if you can't say anything nice,
> > > better
> > > to keep your mouth shut". i don't mean to totally horse on the NABCEP
> > > folks
> > > here -- i do appreciate that there's industry wide organizations out
> there
> > > trying to better the world. i also realize there's bound to be growing
> > > pains, and
> > > that they may need our input, support -- and patience. no, i offer these
> > > observations as a means to stimulate constructive criticism.
> > > so, I'd like to suggest that we focus on forests, and not so much
> > > just
> > > on trees. little by little I'm hearing rumors of NABCEP efforts on many
> > > fronts, but they all seem so distant. i would like to see more.
> > > specifics?-- i
> > > would like to see a NABCEP led national political lobbying effort. maybe
> > > offer a
> > > monthly e-news letter -- (maybe in league with Home Power?). How about a
> > > member / group insurance program. a union type membership? Maybe
> technical
> > > assistance with complex issues -- ( is there actually an official NABCEP
> > > rep on this
> > > list)? I wouldn't even mind paying dues. And i suspect that they (like
> > > we)
> > > will continually need to evolve with changing times. all I'm saying
> is --
> > > let's
> > > just pull it together folks -- and move forward. respectfully. db
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan Brown
> > > President
> > > Foxfire Energy Corp.
> > > Renewable Energy Systems
> > > (802)-483-2564
> > > www.Foxfire-Energy.com
> > > NABCEP #092907-44
> > >
> > > "Kill the Wabbit": Fudd
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>--
>Sunny Regards,
>Kirpal Khalsa
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