NABCEP again (was opportunity to address pumbing code issues) [RE-wrenches]

[Dan Rice]

Joel,

I actively sought input from NABCEP on this issue, due to the PV licensure
requirement for NABCEP certification in Utah. I've been underwhelmed by the
response from NABCEP on this issue (and I'm an "Inaugural" NABCEP PV
certificant, so I'm not anti-NABCEP). I'm told that they "discourage" govt.
agencies from requiring or utilizing NABCEP certification in licensure
requirements, but they claim that they can do nothing to stop it. It's not
hard to see that any requirement for NABCEP certification represents a
potential revenue stream for NABCEP, so I'm dubious about how vigorously the
"discouragement" may be.

Having every PV licenseholder in the state NABCEP certified potentially
reduces the marketing advantage of certification, although one does not need
to retain current certification to remain licensed -only be NABCEP certified
when applying to become licensed. I won't go in to the objections I've
raised with the Utah licensing officials here, but if this issue is of
concern to anyone else, I can share those off-line.

For what it's worth, Utah also relies upon other industry certifications for
other licensure classifications. The one that comes to mind is in the gas
appliance and piping industry. I expect, with gubment budget tightening and
privatization in vogue, this paradigm will continue to grow.

Dan Rice
Abundant Sun, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Davidson" <joel.davidson at sbcglobal.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: NABCEP again (was opportunity to address pumbing code issues)
[RE-wrenches]


|
| Since 2001, NABCEP said that certification is voluntary, yet NABCEP
| certification requirements keep popping up. Does NABCEP actively refuse to
| allow jurisdictions to require certification?
| Joel Davidson
|
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "Dan Rice" <danrice at scinternet.net>
| To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
| Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:21 PM
| Subject: Re: opportunity to address pumbing code issues [RE-wrenches]
|
|
| >
| > Conrad,
| >
| > The question of single wall vs. double wall heat exchangers is an issue
in
| > some jurisdictions. The fact that boiler systems can heat sidearm tanks
| > with
| > single wall heat exchangers, but solar thermal systems using non-toxic
| > propylene glycol working fluid require double wall heat exchangers is an
| > impediment to solar where they're required, IMO. You may want to address
| > this with the inspectors there.
| >
| > I'm licensed in Utah. There's an existing solar license classification
| > that
| > lists "solar energy equipment" (a vestige of the 70's and 80's) that
some
| > of
| > us have used for PV as well as Thermal. Utah has recently put together a
| > PV
| > specialty contractor's license classification. Those of us with the old
| > license doing both PV and Thermal will qualify for the new PV license.
The
| > old solar license will be reassigned to Thermal only. Thermal allows
| > plumbing up to the point of interconnection (allows the installer to do
| > the
| > tie-in), but the new PV license forbids work on AC systems and equipment
| > (though it specifically permits work with inverters, which are AC
| > equipment,
| > last I checked! And NABCEP certification is REQUIRED by the State for
the
| > PV
| > license -it's the de-facto license exam and qualification program -I'm
not
| > in favor). So a PV license holder is required to have a licensed
| > electrician
| > do all of the AC work.
| >
| > Dan Rice
| > Abundant Sun, LLC.
| > NABCEP PV certified -yes
| >
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Conrad Geyser" <conradg at cape.com>
| > To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
| > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:28 AM
| > Subject: opportunity to address pumbing code issues [RE-wrenches]
| >
| >
| > |
| > | Wrenches!
| > | Please give me any input you can think of  for a presentation that I
am
| > | slated to give tomorrow night at a state plumbing and gas inspectors
| > | association.
| > | I'm considering this a pretty important opportunity at least for my
| > | state(Massachusetts) if not everyone.
| > |
| > | Relevant topics in order of priority that I can imagine are:
| > |
| > | -IPC (International Plumbing Code) adoption and any issues with that
| > | document.
| > |
| > | -Licensing diversification as done in California and ?  Please write
and
| > | tell me:
| > |     1)What state you are from.
| > |     2)What variety of licenses are available.  I.E., can a RE person
| > pull
| > a
| > | permit and do a tie in under their license?
| > |
| > | -Anything else you can think of.
| > |
| > | thanks,
| > | Conrad Geyser
| > | Cotuit Solar
| > | NABCEP thermal TM certified
| > | 508-428-8442
| > |
|


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