wind issues/ Bergey [RE-wrenches]

[Matt Tritt]

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Ezra,

Right on. My comments to Jay about RISO apply to your question (I think).
Perhaps a "standardized test procedure" with verifiable results would be the
right way to go, if there were no way for companies to fudge the results.
One way to do it might be a combined meter device that takes wind/solar data
and records it along side actual power output from the generating device and
from the power out to batteries and/or a grid connection. If this thing were
a locked box with tamper-proof seals it could be installed anywhere for a
set time period, then sent to a reliable authority for reading. ?

Matt T

I can visualize a
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From: "Ezra Auerbach, DragonSun Consulting" <ezra at lasqueti.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Re: wind issues/ Bergey [RE-wrenches]




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Hi all,

The trick will be for the collective 'us' to develop and agree on the test
protocols and proccedures which will be used to provide independent a test
reports.  The 'us' is pretty wide spread and encompasses groups as diverse
as government, consumers and installers.  The actual manufacturers are, by
proper necessity, a pretty big part ot the 'us' as well.

Having worked on the collabarative process which created the NABCEP PV
Installer Certification and standards I can only gape with awe at the scope
of creating  fair, transparent, and reasonable cost test protocols for the
disparate array of renewable energy equipment we work with.

I suppose this sort of thing needs to start somewhere, the old adage of "do
it before it gets done to you" might well apply to equipment performance
standards.  What sort of things would Wrenches want to see as common,
consumer comparable, test results?

One thing I'm sure of is that any type of required equipment testing must
be of reasonable cost to the manufacturer and duplicable at a wide range of
'registered' test facilities.  I don't think that another round of
expensive tests supported by a beaurocracy is any way to encourage product
development.  From my perspective I'd like to see manufacturers 'self-test
and certify' to widely agreed upon and published standards.

Cheers,

Ezra Auerbach
DragonSun Consulting
Lasqueti Island, B.C. V0R 2J0
ezra at lasqueti.net






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From: Jay Peltz, Peltz Power <jay at asis.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:32:54 AM
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Subject: Re: wind issues/ Bergey [RE-wrenches]

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> HI Matt,
> nde
> It just goes to prove my point that until we get a "independent" testing
> program for all components of the solar industry, we'll be in this
situation
> all the time.
>
> jay
> Peltz Power
>
>
> > Who's mad?
> >
> > I don't believe that the accepted testing procedures are the same for
wind
> > as they are for PV as far as the CEC is concerned though; at least that
> was
> > what I was driving at.
> >
> > My beef is with the methodology used in deciding what equipment is
allowed
> > and what isn't. Just consider the bedlam that would follow if all PV
> modules
> > would be required to have operated for at least one year at a1,100
Watt/M
> > sq. site with complete operational AND insolation data! Forget it! This
> > means each and every obscure module made.
> >
> > If this were the norm, PV technology would take eons to develop and
> advance.
> >
> > If we actually want wind technology to advance to the same level as PV,
> > things need to change.
> >
> > Matt T
> >
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