pv for the military [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

You have the right to refuse service to anyone.
The military defends that right.
Joel Davidson
US Army 1962-1965
Anti-war Activist 1965-Present

"Dean T. Newberry" wrote:

> cMon y'All,
> Sell the military some PV.
> A bunch of silicon and glass crashing into the desert is better than a
> small thermonucleaar reactor.
> We abandon tons of stuff when we leave a zone, somebody might find the
> solar junk useful.
> More volume means lower costs for everyone.
> Your sons, daughters and grandchildren are going to work on this stuff,
> PV is a lot less dangerous than the fission device.
>
> An army running on renewable resources needs less oil.
> less oil demand requires less army.
> run several iterations on this function and see what happens to your tax
> dollars.
> Anybody who wants to help start this function has my vote.
>
> Basically as long as the military support for oil production is an
> externalized cost to oil products, the comparable cost of other energy
> products will appear disproportionately high.
> If you reallocat the cost of the acquiring and administering Iraq to be
> a cost of  imported oil, by say paying the Iraq war bonds with a tax on
> all imported oil or just to keep it simple on all oil, then the cost of
> other energy products begins to be comparable.
>
> I haven't done the research, but the occupation costs $W/day, and the
> cost of imported oil is $X/day.
> The true cost of the Oil is $(W+X)/ day.  Do some other math and come up
> with a real cost of a gallon of gas/ deisel/#2Fuel/JP4 and a zillion
> other things from plastic bags to asphault.
>
>    1. The first result is that the cost of  other fuels and feed stocks,
> ag oils and alcohols, natural gas, bio-waste, wind and solar systems
> would begin to be realistically comparable.
>    2. The second result is that we would find it economicaly useful to
> use less of the stuff.
>          1. The effect of the second result is that we would be adding a
> lot less carbon to the atmosphere which seems to be desirable.
>          2. Another effect of the second result is that the quickest way
> to reduce the cost of the oil is to reduce the military cost of
> acquisition.  This can easily be done by sharing the cost with other oil
> consuming nations.
>
> I cannot imagine that anyone could actually add the cost of Iraqi
> Occupation to the cost of a gallon of gas, but if they did it would put
> some things in a better perspective.
> To be honest, I think there are other benefits to the occupation of Iraq
> and the full cost should not be bourne by oil products, so I'll suggest
> that half the cost be applied to oil.
>
> So... go sell solar stuff to the military, and tell your friends that we
> could all breathe easier if the cost of a gallon of gas was more like $3
> than $2.
>
> cul  deant   (sp5, USASA 67-69)
>
> Graham Owen wrote:
>
> >>From talking to a friend  (truly a rocket scientist) who works at JPL,
> >the military needs to utilize more solar power for numerous
> >applications.  From what I have been told, the military is focusing on
> >controlling space and is currently favoring micro-nuclear as opposed to
> >PV, for future satellite and terrestrial rover-type vehicle designs.
> >Solar power for remote stations, water purification, water heating,
> >communications, etc. needs to be packaged and presented to the military.
> >Perhaps Generals who understand and appreciate the many useful
> >properties of solar energy will be less likely to willingly plan
> >operations and risk lives to invade foreign counties for oil.
> >
> >Graham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: steve at windandsun.co.uk [mailto:steve at windandsun.co.uk]
> >Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:49 PM
> >To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> >Subject: Re: pv for the military [RE-wrenches]
> >
> >
> >Please, don't do any military installs.
> >The last thing this world needs is a sustainable military. There are so
> >many much more deserving applications for PV to keep
> >us all busy for a long time.
> >Dwindling fossil energy resources are going to be a cause of strife -
> >lets work to reduce the need for fossil fuels, not help those that will
> >fight over them.
> >
> >Regards
> >Steve Wade.
> >
> >
> >Hello
> >
> >
> >
> >Has anyone done any military PV installs?  I have a few questions.
> >You can respond off list.
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >Keith Cronin
> >
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> >
> >
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