Fw: Interesting installation [RE-wrenches]

[Bill Brooks]

Jay,

I would be happy to clarify. In my experience, the closest anyone has gotten
so far to doing it right as a manufacturers are AstroPower and possibly
Kyocera. They have dealer programs where they train their installers how to
install their system packages. Their programs may not be perfect, but they
are moving the right direction.

This is akin to the Master Dealer programs that Carrier and Trane HVAC
companies do with their dealers. I continue to see parallels between our
industry and the HVAC industry. We should learn from them as to what needs
to be done to get high quality installations.

Simply relying on the local inspector is not enough. Some inspectors are
very good, but many are not very thorough as the current example shows.
LADWP has seen the very same wiring problems get past inspectors--we need
more training for inspectors--CEC needs to revive their support of this.

The problem ultimately comes down to who is willing (and has the most at
stake) to tackle this problem. I would argue that you can regulate
stupidity. LADWP does it all the time. If something is clearly screwed up
because of ignorance or laziness, they make them change it before they get a
check. That's the most effective method. It's amazing how quickly things get
fixed when the money is contingent upon the fix. I believe the CEC has a far
more important role than they are currently willing to take.

Bill.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Peltz, Peltz Power [mailto:jay at asis.com]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:46 AM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Interesting installation [RE-wrenches]


Hi Bill,

There are two aspects to your original message.

1. The panels in the wrong direction.

I stand by my position that you cannot regulate stupidity.

2. There were real problems with the actual electrical wiring.

This is a inspection problem.  ( As well as poor quality installation)

I don't understand why the CEC should be paying for the inspection?  I don't
think that Sierra Pacific pays the county to do the rough in inspection?

Yes inspections cost money and I believe that is what the customer is paying
for when they get a permit?  That the governing body will oversee the
building process to make sure that it is done correctly.  If this is no
longer the case then I suppose there are other questions and problems that
don't need to be gone into here.

Can you give me some examples of other manufactures who  "were more closely
tied to their  installations (as they should be) they would help insure that
their products
are installed properly and working as designed"?

So maybe you can clear this up.

Thanks,
jay

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