wireless internet dish/wind turbine tower [RE-wrenches]

[matthew tritt]

Do you mean that they have less capital to throw around or that they're more
likely to play hardball?

When I last talked to the telecom people about putting up shared wind and
telecom towers, they were willing to virtually write-off the turbine expense
as just a part of doing business! This was way back a year and a half ago
when it was easy to install turbines and not telecom towers. My how things
have changed.
Our county now wants an arm and a leg just for a conditional use permit to
install any wind turbine, and it "must" be on a minimum of 20 freakin acres!
It's the NIMBY factor in full force.

Matt T
----- Original Message -----
From: "lizardlists" <lizardlists at houston.rr.com>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: wireless internet dish/wind turbine tower [RE-wrenches]


> The 2003 economics of the Telecom Industry are not at all like the ones in
> 1999, trust me.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Warren" <robertwarren at mail.com>
> To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:55 AM
> Subject: RE: wireless internet dish/wind turbine tower [RE-wrenches]
>
>
> > Tom,
> >  There is usually a 20 Khz or so radio frequency interference from the
> > Trace and SolarBoost 50DL, but basically, it would be up to them to
> > figure out how to shield their equipment.  Their stuff is likely 48 VDC,
> > and as such they can easily filter the high frequency DC ripple on the
> > battery side of things. It is very likely that if your inverter and
> > controller are more than 100 meters away from your wind tower, there
> > will be no interference other than a very weak RFI signal. You may as a
> > last resort have to build a Faraday cage around the inverer, so be sure
> > to cost this in when hitting them for access charges.
> >  Since it is reliabilty they are after, and this will be a new
> > installation, I highly recommend you tell them you need a whole new set
> > of batteries, so everyone knows where they stand in regards to battery
> > size, type, and age. You can always sell off your old set to someone
> > else who is on a budget.
> >  Matt is right about the wind blade interference. They have tried it
> > here in the UK, and there was a problem of some sort, but I don't
> > remember how it was resolved. I think there was some magic number
> > regarding how far apart they were from each other. In terms of strength
> > of towers, the wind tower is usually engineered far stronger than
> > needed, but once they start putting up one dish or two, they keep
> > multiplying like rabbits, and before you know it, there are 12 or more
> > small dishes and gizmos up there.  So you have to make sure you still
> > have access to your wind genny if you ever have to climb or lay down
> > your tower. They are used to paying for new towers, this would be the
> > better option. You still have the land and provide them with the power,
> > and still get to do the work and charge them a monthly fee for access,
> > power, and rental.  Or, another approach, which will win you a lot of
> > repeat business, is to size a dedicated PV ssytem to their equipement,
> > and have the PV on the side of the new tower. This option, though,
> > really boils down to whether or not you are willing to give up good wind
> > positioning compared to whatever new air turbulence you would have with
> > a 2nd towere in close proximity.
> > Give 'em Hell, but be nice and give 'em what they need.
> > (my paraphrase of Patrick Swayze, in Roadhouse)
> > Robert Warren
> > robert.warren at solarcentury.co.uk
> >
> > matthew tritt wrote:
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > Wow-eeee. This sounds pretty interesting. But. One thing you might be
> > > careful about is any frequency noise from the turbine blades
themselves
> > > (plus the alternator of course). I seem to recall that there can be
some
> > > weird feedback, if that's the correct word, between a parabolic
receiver
> > > and
> > > rotating blades. This was a big problem with windfarm installations
way
> > > back
> > > when, but perhaps your blade arc swings far enough above the dish.
> > >
> > > Around here, central California, I've noticed the fruits of a
suggestion
> > > I
> > > made early last year to a Cell phone tower installation company, in
the
> > > form
> > > of conventional water pumping windmills sprouting up all over the
place,
> > > with no plumbing at all, just 4 inconspicuous antennae sticking out of
> > > the
> > > side of the towers! Kee=rap. I should have protected myself somehow.
> > > Pretty
> > > funny, considering you have to go through all kinds of pain to put a
> > > wind
> > > turbine in (not to methion a cell tower!) but not a pumper!
> > >
> > > Is there no justice?
> > >
> > > Matt T
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Simko" <tom at skylinesolar.com>
> > > To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:14 PM
> > > Subject: wireless internet dish/wind turbine tower [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Fellow Wrenches,
> > > >
> > > >  Today I had a guy drive up to my off grid place and knock on the
> door.
> > > The
> > > > first thing out of his mouth was "I noticed your wind turbine
tower",
> > > > and
> > > I
> > > > thought it was, as  has happened many times in the past, someone
that
> > > > just
> > > > had to know how it all (my off grid system) worked. I am always
happy
> to
> > > > show a neophyte around my place, you never know, it may result in a
> > > > sale,
> > > as
> > > > has  happened in the past.
> > > >
> > > >  It turns out he's a rep for a wireless internet company, new to my
> rural
> > > > area (SE Idaho), and my 50' 4 legged tower, currently occupied by a
> > > Whisper
> > > > H-80, very soon to be replaced by a AWP 3.6 (as soon as next week)
fit
> > > > the
> > > > bill as to height and location for one of their network dishs. He
went
> > > > on
> > > to
> > > > say that if I gave permission, they'd come in and run a buried phone
> > > > line
> > >
> > > > from the road to the tower base, install an 18" mesh dish 5' below
the
> > > tower
> > > > top (from the top of the 4 legged tower its another 6' of 2 1/2"
pipe
> to
> > > the
> > > > base of the turbine itself, and as the dish would point west, and
the
> > > > prevailing winds are south in my area I'm not concerned
> > > > aerodynamically),
> > > > and all they need is an outlet to plug their repeater or whatever it
> is
> > > > into.
> > > >
> > > >   At this I laughed and told the guy that I was totally off grid and
> while
> > > > this may be possible it'd take some looking into, we'd need to get
> some
> > > > power consumption figures etc, and I'd have to figure the load on my
> > > > 1200
> > > > watt PV/ 1000 watt wind system. He mentioned that it shouldn't be a
> > > problem,
> > > > the gear in his estimation drew little power. Then I pointed out IF
> the
> > > > numbers worked the advantage to the company would be continuous
power
> > > > regardless of grid outages (pretty reliable around here, outages are
> > > > brief
> > > > and infrequent, darn it). He said that he'd get back to me tomorrow
> with
> > > > exact numbers as to how much power would be required, its a given
the
> > > > need
> > > > would be 24/7. I suggested checking with the company engineer's to
see
> > > > if
> > > a
> > > > low voltage DC repeater was available, and then pointed out the cost
> > > > effectiveness and potentially greater reliability of a simple DC
> system,
> > > and
> > > > how a autonomous system, with its own PV panels/batteries, located
on
> my
> > > > property, using my tower, but separate from my home power system but
> > > perhaps
> > > > using it as a backup, would give a very great degree of reliabilty.
He
> > > > thought that was a great idea, but was puzzled as to who would know
> > > > about
> > > > all that solar stuff, he did not realize until I took him over to
the
> > > > shop
> > > > and showed him my current project, (pun intended) a 960 watt PV off
> grid
> > > > system that I had just finished putting together prior to delivery
to
> > > > the
> > > > customers site, that I was in the business. So now it looks like not
> > > > only
> > > > will I lease my tower site to them, I'll sell the power equipment
and
> > > > install it. It gets better: I pointed out that since I have a
trencher
> > > > and
> > > a
> > > > boom truck (10 ton, 84' reach, very handy) I could handle ALL of the
> > > > work.
> > > > Sweeet.... They want to provide me with free internet access using
> their
> > > > system (1,500,000 BPS) in exchange, but I think I can keep my old
> cable
> > > > based provider, its adequate for my needs, costs me 35 a month
> including
> > > > hosting my website, and shake them down for a monthly cash payment.
He
> > > > mentioned they may pay as much as 200 a month if the tech problems
are
> > > > few
> > > > or minor and if I'd be willing to sign a contract.
> > > >
> > > >  Anyway, first question is: anyone know if they can expect any
> electronic
> > > > interference from the Trace 4024SW, the SolarBoost 50DL, the soon to
> be
> > > > installed AWP or any other component of my off grid system?  Second
> > > > question: anyone else with a wind turbine tower been approached with
> an
> > > > offer like this? If so, what'd they offer and how'd it work out?
> > > >
> > > > Already spending the money,
> > > >
> > > > Tom Simko
> > > > Skyline Solar
> > > >
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