NABCEP [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

Matt,
All PV systems that I know of that have gotten rebates were either contractor or
owner installed. I always encourage do-it-yourselfers to hire a licensed
electrician unless they are a contractor, engineer or architect. I don't know
what percent of owners hired a licensed contractor to help them. The CEC could
get that information from the signed off permits.
Joel Davidson

matthew tritt wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Very interesting, considering that you cannot get a rebate without a valid
> building permit, and you cannot get a building permit without a valid
> contractor doing the job (unless it's an owner-builder)! Sometimes not
> getting jobs comes from being the highest bidder, not from the competition
> being unlicensed or unscrupulous. Because of California law, you can't
> employ a worker without having workers comp, by the way.
>
> Normally,a retail sales and/or design company puts installations in the
> hands of a competent contractor if they don't feel like getting a licenses
> themselves. As I recall, that's a very common arrangement.
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Davidson" <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
> To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: NABCEP [RE-wrenches]
>
> > I know it is challenging and sometimes dangerous to report offending
> parties, but
> > doing nothing may also reap bad karma. You might consider giving customers
> the
> > State License Board's toll-free number 1-800-321-2752 and telling them
> that their
> > insurance company will reject fire, damage, injury and other claims if
> work is
> > done by an unlicensed contractor.
> >
> > William Miller wrote:
> >
> > > Colleagues:
> > >
> > > Don't think that any of these requirements are "air tight."  Even if the
> > > various states require certification, that requirement can be subverted.
> > > For example, the California Energy Commission requires a licensed
> > > contractor performing an installation to qualify for the rebate
> program--
> > > but I know there are installers in my area that hold no license.  I
> don't
> > > know how they get this past the state.  I do believe they are doing the
> > > customer a disservice and putting the customer's rebate in jeopardy.
> > >
> > > Since I went to the trouble to obtain a license, pay worker's comp, hold
> > > insurance and bonding, I feel that to compete against those that shirk
> > > these responsibilities is unfair.  I've been sorely tempted to report
> the
> > > offending parties, but have held off, probably for the only reason that
> I
> > > don't want to reap bad karma.  I can only hope some dissatisfied
> customer
> > > will blow the whistle.
> > >
> > > What do others think about the concept of competing on an un-level
> playing
> > > field?  Shouldn't installers have liability insurance and bonding?
> > > Shouldn't installers protect their workers by having worker's
> compensation
> > > insurance?  In California, you can't obtain any of the above without a
> > > contractor's license (i.e. certification).  It's not all about hassling
> the
> > > installer-- much of this is about protecting the consumers and
> employees.
> > >
> > > William Miller
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