NABCEP [RE-wrenches]

[matthew tritt]

Joel,

Very interesting, considering that you cannot get a rebate without a valid
building permit, and you cannot get a building permit without a valid
contractor doing the job (unless it's an owner-builder)! Sometimes not
getting jobs comes from being the highest bidder, not from the competition
being unlicensed or unscrupulous. Because of California law, you can't
employ a worker without having workers comp, by the way.

Normally,a retail sales and/or design company puts installations in the
hands of a competent contractor if they don't feel like getting a licenses
themselves. As I recall, that's a very common arrangement.

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Davidson" <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: NABCEP [RE-wrenches]


> I know it is challenging and sometimes dangerous to report offending
parties, but
> doing nothing may also reap bad karma. You might consider giving customers
the
> State License Board's toll-free number 1-800-321-2752 and telling them
that their
> insurance company will reject fire, damage, injury and other claims if
work is
> done by an unlicensed contractor.
>
> William Miller wrote:
>
> > Colleagues:
> >
> > Don't think that any of these requirements are "air tight."  Even if the
> > various states require certification, that requirement can be subverted.
> > For example, the California Energy Commission requires a licensed
> > contractor performing an installation to qualify for the rebate
program--
> > but I know there are installers in my area that hold no license.  I
don't
> > know how they get this past the state.  I do believe they are doing the
> > customer a disservice and putting the customer's rebate in jeopardy.
> >
> > Since I went to the trouble to obtain a license, pay worker's comp, hold
> > insurance and bonding, I feel that to compete against those that shirk
> > these responsibilities is unfair.  I've been sorely tempted to report
the
> > offending parties, but have held off, probably for the only reason that
I
> > don't want to reap bad karma.  I can only hope some dissatisfied
customer
> > will blow the whistle.
> >
> > What do others think about the concept of competing on an un-level
playing
> > field?  Shouldn't installers have liability insurance and bonding?
> > Shouldn't installers protect their workers by having worker's
compensation
> > insurance?  In California, you can't obtain any of the above without a
> > contractor's license (i.e. certification).  It's not all about hassling
the
> > installer-- much of this is about protecting the consumers and
employees.
> >
> > William Miller
> >
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