Bird kills [RE-wrenches]

[matthew tritt]

These are the ones I've seen Joel. Holy Cow! Do you think windfarm operators
divulge what happens at their sites? The advent of very large turbines has
reduced bird hits tremendously, but the smaller utility machines for sure
had a problem. So what? Why do you think some groups bring up this issue to
try and stop wind projects? Give it a thought. They use any negative info
they can get to further their personal goals. That's why the not for general
use notice.

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Davidson" <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Bird kills [RE-wrenches]


> Thanks for the info, but you blew it with the "not for general
publication"
> notice. Anything in this newsgroup is on the world wide web. 8 birds and 2
brown
> bats since 1981. So I'm asking all you lurkers out there, each time some
> anti-windpower wacko says wind machines kill birds, ask for evidence.
>
> matthew tritt wrote:
>
> > Joel,
> >
> > O.K. 3 each seagulls - chopped to mincemeat - Arco oil platform off
Santa
> > Barbara, 1981; 2 each Coopers Hawk, broken necks, Santa Barbara County
and
> > San Luis Obispo County, late 80's; 1 each Thresher - late 80's, San
> > Bernardino County; California Condor - Tehachapi Mountains, 90's guy
wire; 1
> > each Golden Eagle, - 90's Tehachapi Mountains - guy or blade; 2 each
little
> > brown bats(!), Monterey County - 90's Blade strikes (fast rotor) and
some
> > more. This is not for general publication by the way. Some people don't
want
> > to be exposed to environmental lawsuits or attacked by Audubon club
members.
> > Especially the Condor thing. I also have seen another Golden Eagle fried
by
> > phase to phasing on a 12 kv line! Very bad transmission pole design.
> >
> > Matt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Davidson" <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
> > To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: Bird kills [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > > Wind Wrenches only,
> > > I haven't had a wind machine since 1978, but more birds bounced off my
> > mountain home picture window than ever landed on my tower. I never met a
> > person who actually saw a dead bird at the base of a wind machine. How
many
> > dead birds at the base of wind machines have you guys actually seen?
Where?
> > What species?
> > > Best regards,
> > > Joel Davidson
> > > "A bird in the hand makes blowing your nose difficult."
> > >
> > > Jeff Oldham wrote:
> > >
> > > > This bird kill thing really gets to me, people love to feed off of
this
> > out of porportion sound bite. I saw a study that put some perspective on
it.
> > Windows in downtown Toronto kill more birds than all of the windgens in
N.
> > America. Here at my home, since the tower has been up, my windows have
> > killed 2 birds and zero for the tower/wind gen.
> > > >
> > > > When someone brings up the subject of bird kills ask them if they
have a
> > cat...
> > > >
> > > > -jeff
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Oldham
> > > >
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