Bird kills [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

That's why it is so important to turn down the rhetoric by asking for evidence.
It is amazing how some right-wing anti-renewables groups and some left-wing
environmental groups unite to oppose wind machines. But this is not "nuts and
volts" so bye bye.
Joel Davidson
"Fascists of a feather flock together."

matthew tritt wrote:

> These are the ones I've seen Joel. Holy Cow! Do you think windfarm operators
> divulge what happens at their sites? The advent of very large turbines has
> reduced bird hits tremendously, but the smaller utility machines for sure
> had a problem. So what? Why do you think some groups bring up this issue to
> try and stop wind projects? Give it a thought. They use any negative info
> they can get to further their personal goals. That's why the not for general
> use notice.
>
> Matt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Davidson" <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
> To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Bird kills [RE-wrenches]
>
> > Thanks for the info, but you blew it with the "not for general
> publication"
> > notice. Anything in this newsgroup is on the world wide web. 8 birds and 2
> brown
> > bats since 1981. So I'm asking all you lurkers out there, each time some
> > anti-windpower wacko says wind machines kill birds, ask for evidence.
> >
> > matthew tritt wrote:
> >
> > > Joel,
> > >
> > > O.K. 3 each seagulls - chopped to mincemeat - Arco oil platform off
> Santa
> > > Barbara, 1981; 2 each Coopers Hawk, broken necks, Santa Barbara County
> and
> > > San Luis Obispo County, late 80's; 1 each Thresher - late 80's, San
> > > Bernardino County; California Condor - Tehachapi Mountains, 90's guy
> wire; 1
> > > each Golden Eagle, - 90's Tehachapi Mountains - guy or blade; 2 each
> little
> > > brown bats(!), Monterey County - 90's Blade strikes (fast rotor) and
> some
> > > more. This is not for general publication by the way. Some people don't
> want
> > > to be exposed to environmental lawsuits or attacked by Audubon club
> members.
> > > Especially the Condor thing. I also have seen another Golden Eagle fried
> by
> > > phase to phasing on a 12 kv line! Very bad transmission pole design.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joel Davidson" <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
> > > To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Bird kills [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > > Wind Wrenches only,
> > > > I haven't had a wind machine since 1978, but more birds bounced off my
> > > mountain home picture window than ever landed on my tower. I never met a
> > > person who actually saw a dead bird at the base of a wind machine. How
> many
> > > dead birds at the base of wind machines have you guys actually seen?
> Where?
> > > What species?
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Joel Davidson
> > > > "A bird in the hand makes blowing your nose difficult."
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Oldham wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This bird kill thing really gets to me, people love to feed off of
> this
> > > out of porportion sound bite. I saw a study that put some perspective on
> it.
> > > Windows in downtown Toronto kill more birds than all of the windgens in
> N.
> > > America. Here at my home, since the tower has been up, my windows have
> > > killed 2 birds and zero for the tower/wind gen.
> > > > >
> > > > > When someone brings up the subject of bird kills ask them if they
> have a
> > > cat...
> > > > >
> > > > > -jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Oldham
> > > > >
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