Installation details [RE-wrenches]

[matthew tritt]

Bill,

Why don't you put on a few traveling seminars? Since you have both ears to
the ground on these ever-so-quickly-emerging issues, it would be very cool
if there were a way to siphon-off some of that knowledge.
Since all of us in the biz could benefit from refresher courses and
hand-slapping now and then, I bet you wouldn't have trouble filling your
dance card.

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Brooks" <billb at endecon.com>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]


> Jeff and Joel,
>
> The program with the best performing residential grid-connected PV systems
> in the nation is LADWP. Why? Because they inspect every single
installation
> and check to make sure it is working properly, is not excessively shaded,
> and is installed properly. It requires someone who is sharp and
well-trained
> to provide that type of review--is that so hard?
>
> The LADWP experience is that the first few systems are often quite rough
> from a new installer. Once the installer has to go back and redo their
first
> few systems, they learn in a hurry how to do them right. The difference
> between doing a system right and wrong is not a lot of hours. It's
knowledge
> they need. Every installer must take at least a one-day installation class
> and must have their systems reviewed and fix any problems before being
paid.
> Simple, but effective.
>
> Is it cheap--no. Is it worth it--absolutely!
>
> Bill.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:23 PM
> To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
>
>
> Dear Jeff and everyone,
> Band of PV vigilantes? Now that's an image even more ludicrous than a
bunch
> of
> PV stakeholders and bureaucrats cobbling together a PV rebate program
(just
> kidding). I think we have a functional rebate program that should not be
> changed
> until new goals are clearly defined and agreed upon. Please stop the
> finger-pointing and tone down the rhetoric and focus on continued
education.
> Before going off half-cocked, let's get the details about this Long Beach
> system
> and suggest to the homeowner how his system can be improved.
> Best regards,
> Joel Davidson
> "Let he who is without screw-up cast the first screwdriver." - from The
Code
>
> "Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options" wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > So let's empower some bureaucrats to do it better? I know that some
folks
> in
> > the CA programs really know their stuff, but would the folks they hire
to
> go
> > out and review/approve installs be that good?
> >
> > Bureaucracy is sometimes the solution, but not always. I think some
active
> > "self-policing", without becoming a band of vigilantes, might be a
better
> > solution. It should at least be tried.
> >
> > I'm with Joel on this one.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Brooks [mailto:billb at endecon.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 7:13 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Cc: Jeff Newmiller; Chuck Whitaker
> > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > Okay Joel,
> >
> > How many conversations are you willing to make to fix the crap that is
> going
> > on now throughout the state? The point is that it has gotten out of hand
> and
> > the current hands-off approach just ain't workin'. This is simply a case
> in
> > point that is repeated all too often by well-meaning, incompetent
people.
> >
> > Bill.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:55 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > I think it is a good idea for you or Graham or anyone else who is
> concerned
> > about this installation at the corner of E. Deborah Street and Los
Coyotes
> > Diagonal in the City of Long Beach (Los Angeles Thomas Map Book page
> 796-C2)
> > in
> > LADWP territory (not CEC) talk to the homeowner and LADWP solar program
> > personnel before making more CEC restrictions.
> >
> > Bill Brooks wrote:
> >
> > > Graham,
> > >
> > > That is lovely!!! I bet this is on a SunnyBoy inverter as well.
> Actually,
> > if
> > > they laid the panels flat on the roof and got rid of a couple of the
> extra
> > > panels, this system might actually work.
> > >
> > > So Joel, do you still hold to your opinion that everything is okay
with
> > the
> > > level of restrictions in the CEC program?
> > >
> > > Bill.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Graham Owen [mailto:graham at solarexpert.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:05 AM
> > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > Here is a picture of what I would consider a bad example installation.
> > > I also had absolutely nothing to do with this job.
> > >
> > > http://www.solarexpert.com/images12/competition.html
> > >
> > > By the way, I think a good piece of advice for solar thermal turned PV
> > > installer is to not use plumbing tube cutters for cutting EMT.
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >
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