Installation details [RE-wrenches]

[Bill Brooks]

Matt,

Thanks for the interest in training. It's nice to hear that people are open
to training. We did over 20 2- and 3-day installer workshops in the last two
years with over 800 people attending.

We have backed way off on training because the market for it went down about
six months ago and the CEC has not decided whether to continue to support it
or not. We did a 3-day workshop in Northern California the end of October
and are doing another 3-day in Los Angeles with LADWP January 13-15. Want to
be sensitive about marketing on the Wrenches list so you can contact me
offlist or call Jennifer Pinkerton at LADWP at 213-367-1068 for more
information. Basic course description is at www.endecon.com under
"training".

Bill.

-----Original Message-----
From: matthew tritt [mailto:solarone at charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:39 AM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]


Bill,

Why don't you put on a few traveling seminars? Since you have both ears to
the ground on these ever-so-quickly-emerging issues, it would be very cool
if there were a way to siphon-off some of that knowledge.
Since all of us in the biz could benefit from refresher courses and
hand-slapping now and then, I bet you wouldn't have trouble filling your
dance card.

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Brooks" <billb at endecon.com>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]


> Jeff and Joel,
>
> The program with the best performing residential grid-connected PV systems
> in the nation is LADWP. Why? Because they inspect every single
installation
> and check to make sure it is working properly, is not excessively shaded,
> and is installed properly. It requires someone who is sharp and
well-trained
> to provide that type of review--is that so hard?
>
> The LADWP experience is that the first few systems are often quite rough
> from a new installer. Once the installer has to go back and redo their
first
> few systems, they learn in a hurry how to do them right. The difference
> between doing a system right and wrong is not a lot of hours. It's
knowledge
> they need. Every installer must take at least a one-day installation class
> and must have their systems reviewed and fix any problems before being
paid.
> Simple, but effective.
>
> Is it cheap--no. Is it worth it--absolutely!
>
> Bill.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:23 PM
> To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
>
>
> Dear Jeff and everyone,
> Band of PV vigilantes? Now that's an image even more ludicrous than a
bunch
> of
> PV stakeholders and bureaucrats cobbling together a PV rebate program
(just
> kidding). I think we have a functional rebate program that should not be
> changed
> until new goals are clearly defined and agreed upon. Please stop the
> finger-pointing and tone down the rhetoric and focus on continued
education.
> Before going off half-cocked, let's get the details about this Long Beach
> system
> and suggest to the homeowner how his system can be improved.
> Best regards,
> Joel Davidson
> "Let he who is without screw-up cast the first screwdriver." - from The
Code
>
> "Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options" wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > So let's empower some bureaucrats to do it better? I know that some
folks
> in
> > the CA programs really know their stuff, but would the folks they hire
to
> go
> > out and review/approve installs be that good?
> >
> > Bureaucracy is sometimes the solution, but not always. I think some
active
> > "self-policing", without becoming a band of vigilantes, might be a
better
> > solution. It should at least be tried.
> >
> > I'm with Joel on this one.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Brooks [mailto:billb at endecon.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 7:13 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Cc: Jeff Newmiller; Chuck Whitaker
> > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > Okay Joel,
> >
> > How many conversations are you willing to make to fix the crap that is
> going
> > on now throughout the state? The point is that it has gotten out of hand
> and
> > the current hands-off approach just ain't workin'. This is simply a case
> in
> > point that is repeated all too often by well-meaning, incompetent
people.
> >
> > Bill.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:55 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > I think it is a good idea for you or Graham or anyone else who is
> concerned
> > about this installation at the corner of E. Deborah Street and Los
Coyotes
> > Diagonal in the City of Long Beach (Los Angeles Thomas Map Book page
> 796-C2)
> > in
> > LADWP territory (not CEC) talk to the homeowner and LADWP solar program
> > personnel before making more CEC restrictions.
> >
> > Bill Brooks wrote:
> >
> > > Graham,
> > >
> > > That is lovely!!! I bet this is on a SunnyBoy inverter as well.
> Actually,
> > if
> > > they laid the panels flat on the roof and got rid of a couple of the
> extra
> > > panels, this system might actually work.
> > >
> > > So Joel, do you still hold to your opinion that everything is okay
with
> > the
> > > level of restrictions in the CEC program?
> > >
> > > Bill.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Graham Owen [mailto:graham at solarexpert.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:05 AM
> > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > Here is a picture of what I would consider a bad example installation.
> > > I also had absolutely nothing to do with this job.
> > >
> > > http://www.solarexpert.com/images12/competition.html
> > >
> > > By the way, I think a good piece of advice for solar thermal turned PV
> > > installer is to not use plumbing tube cutters for cutting EMT.
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >
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