Hypalon Cable [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

Welding cable is suitable for battery interconnects and for cabling to junction
boxes, DC250s, etc.

Electrical Energy wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for your input.  I've been working out of town, and am too busy now
> to give this thread the attention it needs.  I am aware of the listing
> issue.  To me this seems a prime example of an institutional barrier,
> making PV more expensive and difficult than it needs to be.
>
> Welding cable is not only used by the Telcomm industry for battery
> applications, but is used for commercial battery jumpers sold by Hensley
> Battery and others.  It is still sold by many national PV distributors for
> battery and inverter connections, with thousands of installed systems, many
> of which have been up and running for decades.
>
> It is proven to work in the field.  It is the most available and
> appropriate material to use.  Yet we are  forbidden to use it in Colorado
> because a big issue was made regarding the listing glitch several years
> back.  As I understand it, not all states forbid its use.
>
> IMHO, if we want to help PV, we should try to make rules to fit the
> physical realities, not require the technology fit existing, inappropriate
> rulings.
>
> I am petitioning the NEC to make a change to allow welding cable.  If
> anyone wants to see the current draft of the proposal, contact me off the
> list, and I will send it to you as an attachment.  If anyone wants add
> their signature to the proposal, that would be great.  Feedback is welcome.
>
> Best,
>
> Drake
>
> At 09:45 AM 7/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Drake and Frank,
> >
> >Drake, I know you have had long debates on this subject so I am not trying
> >to start a debate here. The underlying issue with listing of anything is
> >"what is it listed for." There are thousands of examples of equipment or
> >materials that are listed for one use and work well in many other uses. When
> >a product is listed for a specific purpose (and no other purposes), it's
> >listing only applies to that use. A great case in point are PV inverters.
> >You can get them to do many other things if you are creative, but many of
> >these inverters are only listed for PV systems--nothing else. A welding
> >cable, with no other listing marks is only good for welding. However, many
> >cables may have multiple listings and be listed for conduit, direct burial,
> >sunlight resistant, acid resistant, and the list goes on. Ideally we would
> >have listed battery cables, but the best thing we can do is find cables that
> >are listed for the purposes and locations they are to be used (wet
> >locations, acid-resistant, proper temperatures, installable in conduit,
> >whatever is needed). Just because it has a UL on it does not mean it works
> >for batteries. It may be UL listed to beat your dog (hey, it could happen).
> >
> >Bill.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Electrical Energy [mailto:solar at eagle-access.net]
> >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:58 PM
> >To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> >Subject: Re: Hypalon Cable [RE-wrenches]
> >
> >
> >Hypalon cable is one of the types that is acceptable to the NEC.  It is
> >rated RHH -RHW - USE.  It is finely stranded.  It isn't welding cable.
> >
> >A lot of welding cable is UL listed.  I have a request for new wording to
> >the NEC to  accept UL listed welding cable.
> >
> >Drake
> >
> >
> >At 09:27 PM 7/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >In a message dated 7/15/2002 6:03:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > >mmangelsdorf at hei.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > --Whoa nellie...I thought that using welding cable for batteries was a
> > > > hokie-pokie no-no.  I'd recommend using Cobra Cable X-flex.  It's
> > > UL-listed
> > > > to 105 degrees C, is super flexible and the best cable to work with by
> >far.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >As far as I know any cable that is "UL" listed is okay for batteries, but I
> > >may be wrong!
> > >SUNcerely,
> > >Frank Fowler
> > >Crystal Pines Alternative Energy
> > >4408 Pine Cluster Ln. Yankee Hill, CA. 95965
> > >Tel: 530-532-1972
> > >Fax: 530-532-1359
> > >www.solarenergy-alt.com
> > >"Living with the products we market, install, & service"
> > >
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