Joel sees the "gas" light!! [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

Whoa! I saw the light a long time ago, but I also know my heart and my
capabilities.
If you are interested in hydrogen fuel cells, go to The National Fuel Cell
Research Center at http://www.nfcrc.uci.edu/aboutnfcrc_index.htm
While there, click on the Tour and click on PV Roof to see a photo of the PV
system we did on the Center 6 years ago.

Lawrence Elliott wrote:

> Joel wrote
>
> > I think I got your point. A few years ago, and maybe even now,
> electricity
> > generated at Niagara Falls at night in winter "sold" for $(0.02)/kWh
> (yes,
> > minus) commercial customers because the dynamos have to keep running
> 24/7.
> > Extra electricity + water = the right situation for hydrogen
> generation.
> >
> > How about pulling over and parking? Never happen. We are addicted to
> the
> > automobile because it give us a feeling of freedom and power that
> clouds our
> > judgment and drives us crazy (another weak pun). I've given up
> expecting
> > rational societal decisions about automobile design, fuels or use. Too
> many
> > people are hooked. We spend almost 25% of our personal income on
> > automobiles, and drive hundreds of hours to and fro damaging the
> > environment, killing almost 40,000 and seriously injuring more than
> 1.2
> > million people annually. We buy fuel from people who hate our way of
> life
> > and protect the oil wells with our teenagers' lives. But getting a
> driver's
> > license is a teenage rite of passage and most people remember their
> first
> > car as fondly as their first love affair. Heck, we don't care if it's
> > gasoline, or electricity or hydrogen that we put in the tank, just as
> long
> > as we can keep on truckin.'
>
> Joel I think it is great that you have "COME TO SEE THE LIGHT" ;-)
>
> Your sentiments as expressed above only confirm and reinforce the
> urgency and priority we have in seeing that PV or other renewables
> become available as h2 to power either a fuel cell or ICE vehicle. There
> is no other alternative with mass inpact presently or even envisioned
> for the future.
>
> Although I will say this.
> "FULL SPEED AHEAD WITH METHANOL AND GASOLINE POWERED FUEL CELL VEHICLES
> AND DAMN THE TORPEDOS"
>
> Now before you think I am crazy (course some of you probably already do)
> remember that our industry was started primarily by the military and
> NASA.
> Those " powers that be" probably never expected a bunch of hippsters to
> be creative and bring this technology down to earth and use it to scale
> the walls to electricity freedom built  by Mr Reddy Killowatt.
>
> A fuel cell vehicle powered by methanol or gasoline would placate the
> oil companies and the car companies would play along in mass producing
> them.
> But they could be a Trojan horse that lets all of us get the renewable
> h2 technology into the "Gates of Troy" or at least the Gates of De Troy
> t. It would be a simple matter to convert those highly advanced and
> ubiquitous fuel cell vehicles of the future to h2 by throwing out the
> reformers that use the oil companies product.
> It would be like the Hot Rodders of the 40's and 50's taking mass
> produced Detroit Iron ( although I expect we will be converting fuel
> cell Rice Grinders from Toyota) to satisfy our personal drivng needs.
>
> So long as our renewables industry continues to live at home on green
> power and then remains addicted to gasoline or diesel to power even the
> great little Prius that gets you to town,our efforts are diminished and
> the oil companies still "hold the high ground and laugh all the way to
> the bank"
>
> Converting to h2 using renewables begins with the first step and that
> takes a willingness and commitment as well as our embracing and
> encouraging its advancement.
> We must all lead,follow or just "get the hell out of the way"
> So far I have walked a few slow paces into h2 territory.
>
> Anyone feel up to a marathon run while we install PV's on "gas" stations
> during our rest stops ;-)?
>
> Larry Elliott
>
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