third Party Installations [RE-wrenches]

[jay peltz]

Hi Joel,

I've looked at one hands on, but they are not ready for prime time.  The battery charger
is working, the PV controller isn't adjustable, the gen start isn't working.. Many of
these "problems" will be fixed? with their remote meter head which is due out in January.
I sure want  it to work, but untill they get it finished I cannot recommend them.

In fact one person whom I've worked with is so upset at them that every AEI inverter he
installs he removes the labels as in reverse advertising.

jay

peltz power

Joel Davidson wrote:

> Hi Jay,
>
> Never compromise quality. The Japanese do quality PV and quantity. Practice kaizen
> (continuous improvement).
>
> I saw Chris and his green equipment (and cool truck) at the Sacramento Upex conference
> last month. Nice packaging for off-grid or battery system flexibility. But what I want
> is a smaller PC250 with a built-in 240VAC inverter or maybe an SW4048 with a built-in
> PC250 that is both battery and non-battery.
>
> Anyone have any hands-on experience with AEI's Multimode?
>
> Happy trails,
> Joel Davidson
>
> jay peltz wrote:
>
> > Hi Joel,
> >
> > Not sure I follow your logic about the quality vs quantity.  Seems like you are
> > suggesting that we need to reduce quality to reduce price so that we can install
> > more?
> >
> > If so then count me out.  The biggest problem I deal with is lack of quality.  But
> > then I live in an area that can take 1hr or more each way to the site, most of that
> > on hard dirt road.  Nope quality is king.
> >
> > In regards to the Pulse,  have you checked out the new outback products?
> >
> > jay
> >
> > peltz power
> >
> > Joel Davidson wrote:
> >
> > > Xantrex's pricing policy favors volume customers, most of whom are warehouse
> > > distributors, not installers.
> > >
> > > A custom installer who does really good systems, knows how to work with
> > > customers and building officials, prevents problems and pays his bills promptly
> > > is a valuable resource that should be nurtured by his wholesale distributor with
> > > best prices regardless of volume.
> > >
> > > If I had been given the choice between quality and quantity, I would choose
> > > quality. However, U.S. population has doubled in my lifetime and world
> > > population has tripled. Custom PV systems can either be playthings for a few
> > > hundred thousand relatively rich Americans or beta sites for mass produced PV
> > > systems for the 1.6 billion people who have no electricity and the billions more
> > > who live downwind from polluting power plants. More and cheaper PV is better.
> > >
> > > Which brings us back to the original question about Xantrex Power Panels. Aside
> > > from the fact that one size does not fit all and the weight (you only lift a
> > > power panel a few times before it is finally fastened permanently to the wall),
> > > I prefer Pulse Power Centers. However, I can imagine a combination
> > > inverter/power center with plug-and-play boards that is mass produced in greater
> > > numbers than 100 amp service panels and sold at hardware stores all over the
> > > world. I can even imagine a world where there is enough non-polluting, renewable
> > > electricity for everyone, but it is going to take terawatts of volume to fulfill
> > > my dream.
> > >
> > > Allan Sindelar wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joel,
> > > > > 4. It is not bad for the industry to sell things at lower prices to volume
> > > > customers.
> > > > >
> > > > Yes it is, in this field. That's how the
> > > > Solar-cheaper-than-you'll-ever-be.coms persist. It's fine for selling fruit
> > > > baskets or Ginzu Knives. What all of the wrenches I read are telling you is
> > > > that PV isn't do-it-yourself stuff, it's something that needs good design,
> > > > good education, and good installation. An installing dealership, if it's
> > > > really done well, will never be a volume purchaser of hardware, because
> > > > volume sales and proper design & installation are mutually exclusive
> > > > approaches.
> > > >
> > > > Trace/Xanthrax changed their pricing structure in part to weed out the
> > > > dotcommers, because they had observed that the do-it-yourselfers had a way
> > > > higher rate of problem calls. They made it more difficult for those who
> > > > failed to give support and service to compete with the low-volume,
> > > > high-support Wrenches.
> > > > Allan at Positive Energy
> > > >
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