third Party Installations [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

Hi Jay,

Never compromise quality. The Japanese do quality PV and quantity. Practice kaizen
(continuous improvement).

I saw Chris and his green equipment (and cool truck) at the Sacramento Upex conference
last month. Nice packaging for off-grid or battery system flexibility. But what I want
is a smaller PC250 with a built-in 240VAC inverter or maybe an SW4048 with a built-in
PC250 that is both battery and non-battery.

Anyone have any hands-on experience with AEI's Multimode?

Happy trails,
Joel Davidson

jay peltz wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> Not sure I follow your logic about the quality vs quantity.  Seems like you are
> suggesting that we need to reduce quality to reduce price so that we can install
> more?
>
> If so then count me out.  The biggest problem I deal with is lack of quality.  But
> then I live in an area that can take 1hr or more each way to the site, most of that
> on hard dirt road.  Nope quality is king.
>
> In regards to the Pulse,  have you checked out the new outback products?
>
> jay
>
> peltz power
>
> Joel Davidson wrote:
>
> > Xantrex's pricing policy favors volume customers, most of whom are warehouse
> > distributors, not installers.
> >
> > A custom installer who does really good systems, knows how to work with
> > customers and building officials, prevents problems and pays his bills promptly
> > is a valuable resource that should be nurtured by his wholesale distributor with
> > best prices regardless of volume.
> >
> > If I had been given the choice between quality and quantity, I would choose
> > quality. However, U.S. population has doubled in my lifetime and world
> > population has tripled. Custom PV systems can either be playthings for a few
> > hundred thousand relatively rich Americans or beta sites for mass produced PV
> > systems for the 1.6 billion people who have no electricity and the billions more
> > who live downwind from polluting power plants. More and cheaper PV is better.
> >
> > Which brings us back to the original question about Xantrex Power Panels. Aside
> > from the fact that one size does not fit all and the weight (you only lift a
> > power panel a few times before it is finally fastened permanently to the wall),
> > I prefer Pulse Power Centers. However, I can imagine a combination
> > inverter/power center with plug-and-play boards that is mass produced in greater
> > numbers than 100 amp service panels and sold at hardware stores all over the
> > world. I can even imagine a world where there is enough non-polluting, renewable
> > electricity for everyone, but it is going to take terawatts of volume to fulfill
> > my dream.
> >
> > Allan Sindelar wrote:
> >
> > > Joel,
> > > > 4. It is not bad for the industry to sell things at lower prices to volume
> > > customers.
> > > >
> > > Yes it is, in this field. That's how the
> > > Solar-cheaper-than-you'll-ever-be.coms persist. It's fine for selling fruit
> > > baskets or Ginzu Knives. What all of the wrenches I read are telling you is
> > > that PV isn't do-it-yourself stuff, it's something that needs good design,
> > > good education, and good installation. An installing dealership, if it's
> > > really done well, will never be a volume purchaser of hardware, because
> > > volume sales and proper design & installation are mutually exclusive
> > > approaches.
> > >
> > > Trace/Xanthrax changed their pricing structure in part to weed out the
> > > dotcommers, because they had observed that the do-it-yourselfers had a way
> > > higher rate of problem calls. They made it more difficult for those who
> > > failed to give support and service to compete with the low-volume,
> > > high-support Wrenches.
> > > Allan at Positive Energy
> > >
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