third Party Installations [RE-wrenches]

[Dana Orzel]

Joel - the key word that you used is "under proper supervision" this is not
Joe Homeowner.


----- Original Message -----
From: Joel Davidson <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: third Party Installations [RE-wrenches]


> Come on, guys. Lighten up. You don't have to count installations, or parts
> bins, or skinned knuckles to know that the guys on this list are
practicing
> professionals. The fact that some of us sell equipment by mailorder is no
more
> damning than others who only do a few PV installations a year and make
most of
> their income doing other stuff.
>
> PV is easy to install properly. In the past two years, I've seen dozens of
> teenagers and young adults with no electrical experience install PV under
> proper supervision. Stop elitism and the guild mentality. Start hiring and
> training more PV sales engineers and installers. America is several
thousand
> wrenches behind the Germans and the Japanese.
>
> Daryl DeJoy wrote:
>
> > That's funny, I thought the reason this list was called "the wrench
list"
> > was because it was for wrenches only!
> > I've tried to approach this topic diplomatically but have never really
> > gotten a satisfactory answer before. When I joined this list I was asked
in
> > no uncertain terms whether I was actually an installing, hands on PV
> > person. I guess I assumed incorrectly that if I wasn't , I wouldn't have
> > been allowed on. I do look forward to the day when there is a true
wrench
> > list and the valuable experience I've gained by my skinned knuckles
isn't
> > passed on to every .com person who can afford to sell cheaper because
their
> > overhead is much less than mine. I need to stock PVC, split bolts, cable
of
> > all types, lugs, and on and on. (you wrenches know what I mean). More
money
> > is made in the sale than the installation and very rarely do you get
people
> > buying a furnace over the internet because it's cheaper. Saying a proper
PV
> > installation is easy for the average buyer is very misleading. To
someone
> > familiar with furnaces, yes, the installation of one is easy, but I
> > wouldn't want the average PV customer installing either my PV system nor
my
> > furnace.. I think this is a fair and reasonable comparison.
> > I'm sure I suitably raised the hackles of at least a few .com-mers
today.
> > What do you think, wrenches???
> > Daryl DeJoy
> > Penobscot Solar Design
> >
> > At 10:43 AM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Bob-O wrote:
> > >"If that is the case, I wonder what you are doing on this list? When I
> > >read and post here, I'm assuming that my readers pretty much all have
> > >the same skinned knuckles that I have. IMO, outfits that just sell
> > >parts or "systems" to folks they KNOW or SHOULD KNOW aren't up to the
> > >job of installation are part of the problem, not the solution."
> > >
> > >
> > >That's funny, I thought this list was for those of us wanting to share
> > >our installation problems and improve the quality of the solar pv
> > >industry in general and was not a public forum to denigrate other
> > >members on the list.
> > >
> > >As long as you know where a wire goes, you can always let an
> > >electrician skin his knuckles putting it there!
> > >
> > >Jeff Yago
> > >
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