third Party Installations [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

Come on, guys. Lighten up. You don't have to count installations, or parts
bins, or skinned knuckles to know that the guys on this list are practicing
professionals. The fact that some of us sell equipment by mailorder is no more
damning than others who only do a few PV installations a year and make most of
their income doing other stuff.

PV is easy to install properly. In the past two years, I've seen dozens of
teenagers and young adults with no electrical experience install PV under
proper supervision. Stop elitism and the guild mentality. Start hiring and
training more PV sales engineers and installers. America is several thousand
wrenches behind the Germans and the Japanese.

Daryl DeJoy wrote:

> That's funny, I thought the reason this list was called "the wrench list"
> was because it was for wrenches only!
> I've tried to approach this topic diplomatically but have never really
> gotten a satisfactory answer before. When I joined this list I was asked in
> no uncertain terms whether I was actually an installing, hands on PV
> person. I guess I assumed incorrectly that if I wasn't , I wouldn't have
> been allowed on. I do look forward to the day when there is a true wrench
> list and the valuable experience I've gained by my skinned knuckles isn't
> passed on to every .com person who can afford to sell cheaper because their
> overhead is much less than mine. I need to stock PVC, split bolts, cable of
> all types, lugs, and on and on. (you wrenches know what I mean). More money
> is made in the sale than the installation and very rarely do you get people
> buying a furnace over the internet because it's cheaper. Saying a proper PV
> installation is easy for the average buyer is very misleading. To someone
> familiar with furnaces, yes, the installation of one is easy, but I
> wouldn't want the average PV customer installing either my PV system nor my
> furnace.. I think this is a fair and reasonable comparison.
> I'm sure I suitably raised the hackles of at least a few .com-mers today.
> What do you think, wrenches???
> Daryl DeJoy
> Penobscot Solar Design
>
> At 10:43 AM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Bob-O wrote:
> >"If that is the case, I wonder what you are doing on this list? When I
> >read and post here, I'm assuming that my readers pretty much all have
> >the same skinned knuckles that I have. IMO, outfits that just sell
> >parts or "systems" to folks they KNOW or SHOULD KNOW aren't up to the
> >job of installation are part of the problem, not the solution."
> >
> >
> >That's funny, I thought this list was for those of us wanting to share
> >our installation problems and improve the quality of the solar pv
> >industry in general and was not a public forum to denigrate other
> >members on the list.
> >
> >As long as you know where a wire goes, you can always let an
> >electrician skin his knuckles putting it there!
> >
> >Jeff Yago
> >
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