PV as an investment [RE-wrenches]

[Joel Davidson]

Super good point! In fact, PV module manufacturers and Trace get credit for
"efficiency" when it is really customer consciousness and conservation.

"Jeffrey Wolfe, Global Resources" wrote:

> In trying to do the right thing, AND make a living by selling systems, we
> note that having a PV system installed is a major consciousness raiser in
> further reducing energy use AFTER installation. People want to see that
> meter turn backwards, and will start to pay attention.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Monday, September 10, 2001 1:47 PM, jay peltz [SMTP:jay at asis.com] wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Heres my question.  Sure I give the customer many angles to make the
> system cost
> > effective, but how many people run into problems when you suggest:
> >
> > "Well its cheaper to reduce than produce.  We need to get you a new
> refer, washer,
> > lights etc etc.  "
> >
> > Then I show them the math, and its like major blank time.
> >
> > Just wondering what you all have run into.
> >
> > jay
> >
> > peltz power
> >
> > Smitty wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy all. Reading all these wonderful posts about the payback wall
> people
> > > have built around themselves before contacting us, something occurred
> to me,
> > > and that is this. I don't know how old all of you are, but I suspect
> most of
> > > us are middle aged. After WW II, a lot of lads came home to a booming
> economy,
> > > and badda bing, badda boom, the baby boom was on. Young couples in the
> > > strongest economy on earth, out achieving the American dream for
> decades. He
> > > is where we come in. A generation watching our parents getting houses,
> new and
> > > better appliances of all kinds, cars with fins, and the marketing boob
> tube
> > > teaching us new, bigger and better.
> > >
> > > Many of the customers we deal with nationwide are of this generation.
> Our
> > > company roots are in solar thermal, but we to, still hear the "P" word
> and one
> > > of my other dreaded words, "efficiency".
> > >
> > > Since some of these baby boomers are now yuppies, I find they look at
> things
> > > they don't understand as an investment, as opposed to a Ford
> Expedition. ME
> > > WANT. I'll spare you the whole spiel, but it is quite simple to explain
> the
> > > economics of solar thermal vs a furnace or water heater in terms of an
> > > investment. About this time the Mrs. pops up, "It will make our house
> look
> > > ugly.". And so it goes. Sometimes the wall comes down (sometimes on my
> head).
> > >
> > > One last point. I find it is much easier to sell solar to our BB
> brethren,
> > > after they have already made a luxury purchase, i.e. a remote hunting
> cabin,
> > > RV or a cold swimming pool.
> > >
> > > Smitty
> > >
> > > "Bill Loesch, Saint Louis Solar" wrote:
> > >
> > > > My compliments Jeff for the creative thinking. Anyone else have an
> > > > effective reply to utility comparisons?
> > > >
> > > > Bill Loesch
> > > >
> > > > RE-wrenches said:
> > > > >When asked either "what's the  payback", or "how does this compare
> to the
> > > > utility co.", I simply
> > > > >said  "It's the cheapest clean power you can buy."
> > > >
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