Rough Starts [RE-wrenches]

[Phil Undercuffler]

Is the stove on its own circuit?  is it possible to feed that circuit with
an Exeltech or similar pure sine wave inverter?  Might be cheaper in the
long run than messing with the stove's warranty.

Phil Undercuffler
Positive Energy

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere--Martin Luther King
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Orzel <slrwrk at ocinet.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Rough Starts [RE-wrenches]


> Good thought Bob -
> On thing I left out  - The owner installed the stove so tight, literally
> jammed in and stuck, so no working on the back of the stove, it ain't
comin
> out no way no how. The controller has to come on first before the spark
> igniter will start up. He is leaving this up to me to figure out.
> Thanks for the input! Anyone else out there?
> Energetically - Dana
>
> > How about going from the switch (use a relay if needed) to the
transformer
> > to the spark ignition?
> > That way the transformer is only drawing power when the spark is
occurring
> > and not a load all the time.
> > I expect that there is a wire from the switch to the ignition unit. Use
> that
> > to activate the transformer and feed the ignition unit, that might
smooth
> it
> > out enough to let it work.
> >
> > I have noticed a problem on my generator in the past when heavily loaded
> > (with 2 inverters) charging the batteries that the spark for the burners
> on
> > my stove would not spark. It only happened a few times, I shut down 1
> > inverter for a second and it sparks
> > just fine, it does make you mumble a bit when it happens.
> >
> > I don't think this is what you have already tried, if it is than this is
> > just typing practice...
> > Later,
> > Bob
> >
> > RE. Ellison
> > Supplier of;
> > Diesel Generators &
> > Alternative Energy Systems & Supplies
> > 34642 Countryman Road
> > Theresa, NY. USA
> >                               13691-2076
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dana Orzel [mailto:slrwrk at ocinet.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:39 PM
> > To: RE-WENCHES
> > Subject: Rough Starts [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > Ok All,
> > I haveinvested enough time listening to Trace on this one and am
stumped.
> >
> > I have a client with a Trace SW4024 and the oven section on the
> > stove/broiler will not start unless the battery voltage is above 27.0
VDC
> > +/- . The oven start circuit is around 80 Watts. There is a capacitor
> start
> > on the stove top and this works fine on the Trace. The oven has a spark
> that
> > starts a pilot nad is not happy till the batt, volts are high [27+ VDC]
or
> > the 450 watt Line Tamer is in line.
> >
> > I tried my 450 watt Line Tamer 120/120 VAC transformer , this made it
work
> > but the continous 450 watt load was/is not acceptable.I used a spring
wond
> > timer with a 120VAXC 8 pin relay to allow the circuit to normally be on
> the
> > Trace power and activated to the 120/120 transformer on demand.
> >
> > Trace suggested using a GE Capacitor - 97F9622 - 50uf - 50/60hz - 370VAC
> in
> > series on the hot 120VAC line to the oven.
> > This did not do the trick.
> >
> > Trace suggested triing Two of these capacitors in line to the oven.
> > This worked, but used a continous load of 160 watts. I felt that this
was
> a
> > little high as a periferal ghost load, esp. considering that this is a
> "sine
> > wave" inverter - kind of hard to explain to the client who thinks that
> sine
> > wave means sine wave.
> >
> > Trace then suggested a 120/120 trans former 85 watt capacity.
> > This did not work either. The load was measured with a Brand meter and
did
> > not show a surge at start.
> >
> > What am I missing here? [ besides the obivous fact that the Trace SW4024
> is
> > not a real sine wave ]
> > I have run into this same problem with folks who insisted on triing to
run
> a
> > hot air heating system [totally stupid and inefficient idea] on a Trace
> SW.
> > The Rogers-White controller for the hot air  heating system would not
> > recognize  the SW as real sine wave electricity.
> > IDEAS?
> >
> >
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