[RE-wrenches] Pika Support by chance?
Ray
ray at solarray.com
Sat Sep 12 17:51:39 EDT 2020
What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like really small battery banks
for that. I suppose they just run in the day mostly when the sun is
shinning?
Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
On 9/12/20 3:25 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:
>
> I have 5 clients in Florida running mini-split heat pumps offgrid. The
> smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the rest running L16 2v cells @ 48v
> nominal. Not trying to be a contrarian but with a 2,000 square foot
> house with great insulation and SEER numbers around 30, it is not that
> hard. Need alot of solar, and virtual tracking for the afternoon
> thunderstorms in the south also.
>
>
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> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski
> <jason at floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>
>> 54kWh doesn't go far for air conditioning in September in Southwest
>> Florida. Trust me. Most homes have $200+ electric bills at $0.10/kWh
>> this time of year, sometimes substantially more.
>> Generator backup, even with 4 Powerwalls, is necessary for
>> mission-critical grid-tied backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge
>> Powerwalls with a generator. You just bypass battery storage and run
>> loads straight off the generator, which means the generator needs to
>> be sized for the whole home. It would be nice to have a generator
>> input for supplemental charging at least with a small portable unit.
>> There is no perfect solution for this application. At least no
>> cost-effective solution.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:06 PM August Goers <august at luminalt.com
>> <mailto:august at luminalt.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill -
>> I completely agree with your statement about all off-grid
>> applications. Most if not all need generators. And, I do think
>> there are some grid tied applications where generators make sense
>> too, especially for folks who live way out in the woods as you
>> mention. I was speaking about the mass market in CA in cities or
>> towns where the grid is typically fairly reliable. If you install
>> four Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54 kWh of storage
>> available. There are applications where generators make sense,
>> and all these fires and smoke and heat waves prove the point. I
>> think AC is critical for some parts of the country, and energy
>> storage + PV alone just won't cut it for those critical applications.
>> But, yes, good point.
>> August
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM frenergy <frenergy at psln.com
>> <mailto:frenergy at psln.com>> wrote:
>>
>> August,
>>
>> Quite frankly and with due respect about the
>> comment about more PV and battery to forego the need for a
>> generator, I disagree. Those folks living off-grid in the
>> sticks (um,er, myself included), it would be a very bad thing
>> not to have Gen input. The current situation here in Plumas
>> county (and many other counties right now) is another
>> perfect example. It is so smokey that my daily KWhrs has
>> been cut in half and of course every other off-grid home is
>> having the same issue. This has been going on for almost a
>> month with only occasional breaks. There are also CC
>> failures, FET board craps out, other excrement occurs.
>>
>> We all know there are many critical needs for
>> power especially to run a pump for fire protection, frig for
>> food, communication to know what the hell may coming your way
>> during some event (fire, flood, bad weather) medical needs,
>> etc. In the winter there are at least a few times when there
>> is little or no sun for 1 maybe 2 weeks...that gets to be a
>> spendy array and battery. Certainly, the idea of going that
>> route works for some scenarios but not off-grid. Generators
>> are still a much needed necessary evil. Maybe its a big deal
>> to incorporate that feature in an inverter?? Sounds like
>> bean counting.
>>
>> My $.02 worth
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Feather River Solar Electric
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> 530.284.7849
>> CA Lic 874049
>> www.frenergy.net <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/e37b8134584cfc480c3ad6deab2b0b296c8da98a?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frenergy.net&userId=1613865&signature=057ab7bbd77fff54>
>>
>> On 9/11/2020 1:01 PM, August Goers wrote:
>>> In CA the market for ESS is primarily grid tied support
>>> features driven by SGIP + backup (public safety power
>>> shutoffs, folks who live in less stable grid areas, folks
>>> worried about natural disasters) so the ESS is designed to
>>> replace generators. This might be a little trickier for
>>> areas that need air conditioning during a grid outage (or
>>> for all electric homes), but one tactic is just to go bigger
>>> with the ESS and PV system. I guess what I'm saying is that
>>> the value proposition might already be getting better just
>>> to skip the generator and go bigger with the storage. Even
>>> Generac might be going that route.
>>> August
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:52 AM Jason Szumlanski
>>> <jason at floridasolardesigngroup.com
>>> <mailto:jason at floridasolardesigngroup.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We are seeing tons of companies in Florida offering
>>> Generac/Pika now. They didn't do it when it was Pika, so
>>> why would they now that it has an orange label? Crazy.
>>> No generator input makes zero sense and even less sense
>>> for a generator manufacturer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Chris Schaefer
>>> <chris at solarandwindfx.com
>>> <mailto:chris at solarandwindfx.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>> Pika was bought out by Generac and rebranded as
>>> their PWR cell. Most of the old crew from Pika are
>>> now working for Generac. It's beyond me that Generac
>>> bought them and yet they still don't have a
>>> generator input. That's why I could never sign on to
>>> the Pika product line. Good luck.
>>> Christopher
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Jeremy Rodriguez
>>> <allsolarjeremy at msn.com
>>> <mailto:allsolarjeremy at msn.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If anyone has any info on how to get a hold of
>>> The former PIKA ENERGY support group, please
>>> contact me off list.
>>> Or if anyone knows where one could get one of
>>> their inverters rebuilt/repaired let me know.
>>>
>>> Jeremy Rodriguez
>>> Solar Installation / Design Expert
>>> All Solar, Inc.
>>> 1463 M St
>>> Penrose Colorado 81240
>>> Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and
>>> shorthand.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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