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<p>What size Air Conditioners? Those seem like really small battery
banks for that. I suppose they just run in the day mostly when
the sun is shinning?<br>
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<p>I have 5 clients in Florida running mini-split heat pumps
offgrid. The smallest is a 13 kwh useable and the rest running
L16 2v cells @ 48v nominal. Not trying to be a contrarian but
with a 2,000 square foot house with great insulation and SEER
numbers around 30, it is not that hard. Need alot of solar, and
virtual tracking for the afternoon thunderstorms in the south
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<p>On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:39 -0400, Jason Szumlanski
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com"><jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com></a> wrote:</p>
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arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">54kWh doesn't go far for air
conditioning in September in Southwest Florida. Trust me.
Most homes have $200+ electric bills at $0.10/kWh this
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Powerwalls, is necessary for mission-critical grid-tied
backup situations. Sadly, you can't charge Powerwalls with
a generator. You just bypass battery storage and run loads
straight off the generator, which means the generator
needs to be sized for the whole home. It would be nice to
have a generator input for supplemental charging at least
with a small portable unit.</div>
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<div>I completely agree with your statement about all
off-grid applications. Most if not all need
generators. And, I do think there are some grid tied
applications where generators make sense too,
especially for folks who live way out in the woods as
you mention. I was speaking about the mass market in
CA in cities or towns where the grid is
typically fairly reliable. If you install four
Powerwalls, for example, you have up to 54 kWh of
storage available. There are applications where
generators make sense, and all these fires and smoke
and heat waves prove the point. I think AC is critical
for some parts of the country, and energy storage + PV
alone just won't cut it for those critical
applications.</div>
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<p>August,</p>
<p> Quite frankly and with due respect
about the comment about more PV and battery to
forego the need for a generator, I disagree. Those
folks living off-grid in the sticks (um,er, myself
included), it would be a very bad thing not to
have Gen input. The current situation here in
Plumas county (and many other counties right now)
is another perfect example. It is so smokey that
my daily KWhrs has been cut in half and of course
every other off-grid home is having the same
issue. This has been going on for almost a month
with only occasional breaks. There are also CC
failures, FET board craps out, other excrement
occurs.</p>
<p> We all know there are many critical
needs for power especially to run a pump for fire
protection, frig for food, communication to know
what the hell may coming your way during some
event (fire, flood, bad weather) medical needs,
etc. In the winter there are at least a few times
when there is little or no sun for 1 maybe 2
weeks...that gets to be a spendy array and
battery. Certainly, the idea of going that route
works for some scenarios but not off-grid.
Generators are still a much needed necessary
evil. Maybe its a big deal to incorporate that
feature in an inverter?? Sounds like bean
counting.</p>
<p>My $.02 worth</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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primarily grid tied support features driven by
SGIP + backup (public safety power shutoffs,
folks who live in less stable grid areas, folks
worried about natural disasters) so the ESS is
designed to replace generators. This might be a
little trickier for areas that need air
conditioning during a grid outage (or for all
electric homes), but one tactic is just to go
bigger with the ESS and PV system. I guess what
I'm saying is that the value proposition might
already be getting better just to skip the
generator and go bigger with the storage. Even
Generac might be going that route.
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seeing tons of companies in Florida
offering Generac/Pika now. They didn't
do it when it was Pika, so why would
they now that it has an orange label?
Crazy. </div>
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generator input makes zero sense and
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<div>Pika was bought out by Generac
and rebranded as their PWR cell.
Most of the old crew from Pika are
now working for Generac. It's beyond
me that Generac bought them and yet
they still don't have a generator
input. That's why I could never sign
on to the Pika product line. Good
luck.</div>
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info on how to get a hold of The
former PIKA ENERGY support group,
please contact me off list.
<div>Or if anyone knows where one
could get one of their inverters
rebuilt/repaired let me know.<br>
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Rodriguez
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<div>1463 M St<br>
<div>Penrose Colorado
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