[RE-wrenches] Recycling of LI vs Pb

[Mac Lewis]

I fully agree.  Styrofoam seems totally unnecessary now, they do amazing
things with cardboard and the "structural" paper (that's my own word).   On
another note, can all lead acid, even these newer advanced lead acid,
batteries be recycled?

Thanks

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:44 AM Sindelar Solar <Allan at sindelarsolar.com>
wrote:

> Agreed that this is important and overlooked. Blue Planet is a case in
> point. While I'm well satisfied with their product and support, the
> individual battery packs each come with an absurd amount of styrofoam
> packaging from Murata, the manufacturer. I was told that Blue Planet was
> working to find a less wasteful alternative, and that I could pay
> (substantially) extra to reduce the volume of packaging.
>
> To date I haven't heard from them about end-of-life recycling; given their
> promised long service life, I admit that I have succumbed to the 'by then
> there will be structures in place to address the need' avoidance.
>
> I would appreciate having a Blue Planet manufacturer's representative on
> this list.
>
> Allan
> --
>
> *Allan Sindelar*
> allan at sindelarsolar.com
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
> Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.
> *505 780-2738 cell*
>
>
> On 9/27/2019 8:48 AM, Kirpal wrote:
>
> Hi Mark.  Great question!  This is an important consideration.  Tesla has
> a recycling facility at their Nevada plant for their batteries.  Curious
> how other LFP manufacturers recommend end of life handling.
> Speaking of waste,  As you all are installing systems of all varieties,
> what are you finding with regard to non sustainable packaging in all your
> "clean" energy materials.  I am troubled that after many of our installs we
> have a pile of plastic and styrofoam as big as the the balance of system
> installation.  Sometimes bigger.  It drives me crazy to have this blight on
> our installation.  I am often embarrassed when the customer points out this
> dichotomy of the installation.  Which manufacturers are you happiest with
> in regards to environmentally friendly packaging materials for inverters,
> other balance of system, and batteries  (probably LFePho4)?  Collectively
> we should have the ability to pressure them to use more sustainable
> packaging.
> I have seen some improvements and some half way implemented changes, but a
> lot more can be done to improve this aspect of our industry.  All of us can
> help....Together we have a big voice.
>
> Sunny Regards,
> Kirpal Khalsa
> Oregon LRT#25
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> Oregon Solarworks LLC
> www.oregonsolarworks.com
> 541-299-0402
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 7:34 AM Mark Frye <markf at berkeleysolar.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Has anyone done a good review of the current state of affairs re:
>> recycling Li batteries?
>>
>> I am a bit in the past with a starry-eyed view of Pb with HUP, in
>> particular, believing that Pb batteries have almost a closed cycle
>> product life, ie, we already have infrastructure to recycle something
>> like 95% of the material in Pb batteries.
>>
>> Taking a step back, has our industry become just as jaded by our shiny
>> new technology as every other sector of our economy, focusing on
>> impressive new short term outcomes that are not really embedded within
>> the frame work of a sustainable future?
>>
>> This is why I ask about the recyclablility / sustainability of Li
>> batteries? Some what agnostic here but wondering what the thinking
>> around this is?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark Frye
>
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Mac Lewis

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