<div dir="ltr">I fully agree. Styrofoam seems totally unnecessary now, they do amazing things with cardboard and the "structural" paper (that's my own word). On another note, can all lead acid, even these newer advanced lead acid, batteries be recycled?<div><br></div><div>Thanks</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:44 AM Sindelar Solar <<a href="mailto:Allan@sindelarsolar.com">Allan@sindelarsolar.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Agreed that this is important and overlooked. Blue Planet is a
case in point. While I'm well satisfied with their product and
support, the individual battery packs each come with an absurd
amount of styrofoam packaging from Murata, the manufacturer. I was
told that Blue Planet was working to find a less wasteful
alternative, and that I could pay (substantially) extra to reduce
the volume of packaging. <br>
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<p>To date I haven't heard from them about end-of-life recycling;
given their promised long service life, I admit that I have
succumbed to the 'by then there will be structures in place to
address the need' avoidance.</p>
<p>I would appreciate having a Blue Planet manufacturer's
representative on this list.</p>
<p>Allan<br>
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</p><div class="gmail-m_9215243838937907822moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/2019 8:48 AM, Kirpal
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Mark. Great question! This is an
important consideration. Tesla has a recycling facility
at their Nevada plant for their batteries. Curious how
other LFP manufacturers recommend end of life
handling.
<div>Speaking of waste, As you all are installing
systems of all varieties, what are you finding with
regard to non sustainable packaging in all your
"clean" energy materials. I am troubled that after
many of our installs we have a pile of plastic and
styrofoam as big as the the balance of system
installation. Sometimes bigger. It drives me crazy
to have this blight on our installation. I am often
embarrassed when the customer points out this
dichotomy of the installation. Which manufacturers
are you happiest with in regards to environmentally
friendly packaging materials for inverters, other
balance of system, and batteries (probably LFePho4)?
Collectively we should have the ability to pressure
them to use more sustainable packaging. </div>
<div>I have seen some improvements and some half way
implemented changes, but a lot more can be done to
improve this aspect of our industry. All of us can
help....Together we have a big voice.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Sunny Regards,<br>
Kirpal Khalsa</div>
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at 7:34 AM Mark Frye <<a href="mailto:markf@berkeleysolar.com" target="_blank">markf@berkeleysolar.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Folks,<br>
<br>
Has anyone done a good review of the current state of
affairs re: <br>
recycling Li batteries?<br>
<br>
I am a bit in the past with a starry-eyed view of Pb
with HUP, in <br>
particular, believing that Pb batteries have almost a
closed cycle <br>
product life, ie, we already have infrastructure to
recycle something <br>
like 95% of the material in Pb batteries.<br>
<br>
Taking a step back, has our industry become just as
jaded by our shiny <br>
new technology as every other sector of our economy,
focusing on <br>
impressive new short term outcomes that are not really
embedded within <br>
the frame work of a sustainable future?<br>
<br>
This is why I ask about the recyclablility /
sustainability of Li <br>
batteries? Some what agnostic here but wondering what
the thinking <br>
around this is?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mark Frye</blockquote>
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