Gas Dryers and Washing Machines [RE-wrenches]

[Jeffrey Wolfe, Global Resources]

The Staber uses 110 to 130 W-hrs per load, based upon full loads (18 
pounds) and a Brand meter measurement at our house. Powered from a Trace 
SW4024, in line tie sell back mode.

I like the Staber better than the Neptune for a few reasons:

Larger load capacity.
More stainless steel, and longer warranties.
Warranteed to run on inverter power.
Made to be repaired, if it needs it, by the consumer.
Very fast (extraction speed) spin cycle, shortens drying time.

And the best reason, I can buy these at wholesale, and sell at retail. Try 
and get wholesale on a Maytag, or anything else...

And the worst reason, the price is higher, and there is not enough room to 
discount the difference.

Jeff

Jeffery D. Wolfe, P.E.
Global Resource Options, LLP
A Woman-Owned Vermont Limited Liability Partnership
4 Kibling Hill Road
P.O. Box 51
Strafford, VT 05072
802/765-4632
802/765-9983 (Fax)
global at sover.net
www.globalresourceoptions.com


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From: 	Jonathan Hill[SMTP:solarjon at netshel.net]
Reply To: 	RE-wrenches at topica.com
Sent: 	Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:48 PM
To: 	RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: 	Re: Gas Dryers and Washing Machines [RE-wrenches]

>Travis-
I agree with leaving the dryers out of the calcs, as they will
typically be used in the winter when solar is minimum.  We do include
the washers, however, as many of our customers do run the washers off
their systems in the summer. Wind systems, of course are the
exception.  The 100 watt-hr for the Neptune washer seems really low.
Where can we get these? I don't think the Staber could be any less.
Regarding the refrigerators, I think lots of progress can still be
made besides motor improvements. Check out the Sunfrost: two
compressors and the evaporator, top-mounted, 3-4" urethane
insulation, and lack of thermal bridges- all of this could be
incorporated into conventional units, without increasing the cost too
much.
Jon HIll

>I typically leave the washer and dryers off my sizing calculations and 
just
>accept that they will only be operated when the generator is running so I
>really haven't paid much attention to their energy ratings.  I just make
>sure the inverter(s) can start them.
>
>Does anyone have any recommendations for gas dryers for off grid houses?
>Many cook stoves are easily field convertible from nat. gas to propane and
>back.  Is this true for the typical gas dryer?
>
>Has anyone used a power meter to find out how many watt hours the 
"typical"
>dryer takes to dry the "typical" load?  My 10 year old washing machine 
takes
>250 watt hours to do a full load of clothes and I have measured a 
customers
>Neptune washer and found it to take right at 100 watt hours for a load.
>
>My newer (1 yr old) Amana 21 cu. ft bottom freezer fridge is using just 
over
>1.8 kWh's per day @ 80f.   It's yellow tag rated it at 576 kwh's  per 
year.
>I found it to be using something like 1.2 when the kitchen was under 70f. 
 I
>subscribe to several energy trade journals and they are talking about the
>next generation of motor driven appliances are going to be using much more
>advanced motors within a few years.  It seems that manufacturers have gone
>about as far as they can with non-motor efficiency improvements.  It 
sounds
>promising that within several years we should be able to appliances 
locally
>that are ideal for RE systems.
>
>Travis Creswell
>Ozark Solar
>
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