[RE-wrenches] Zero sell permitting

[Ray Walters]

I agree with Jason, the utility doesn't have a say in the matter.  Pull 
only the necessary permits with the local AHJ, and worry about utility 
approval only if the AHJ requires it.   I've worked in jurisdictions 
from Hawaii to Puerto Rico, Oklahoma, Haiti, Morocco, Tansania, New 
Mexico, Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming, California, Colorado, and Texas.

You pull the permit, don't ask too many questions, and only get the 
utility or others involved when there's no way around them.

We have a lot of folks in 2025 over stepping their authority. Its our 
job to hold the line, and get the job done safely.

Oh and finally, this concept that insurance companies are going to drop 
coverage?  Has that actually happened?  Once again, don't over think it, 
respond my friends to actual problems, not ones we dream up in our late 
night fevers.

We are the installers of the solution, we are not the problem.

Ray Walters
Remote Solar

On 2/11/2025 7:03 PM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
> Zero sell is a bit of an ambiguous term, at least as far as inverter 
> manufacturers are concerned. For example, Enphase offers a "no export" 
> grid profile for it's microinverters, but it relies on consumption CTs 
> that are not completely accurate and the speed at which it can curtail 
> solar will inevitably allow some power to flow in reverse through the 
> meter. We have a municipal utility here that flips out if a watt of 
> reverse current is detected. They immediately fire off a nasty letter 
> to the owner threatening to disconnect their electric service if not 
> rectified immediately.
>
> So be careful about what equipment you are installing and whether it 
> is truly capable of actual no export. If that is the case, it's behind 
> the meter, and here in Florida technically the utility would have no 
> leg to stand on in terms of restricting it. No netmetering agreement 
> would be required in my opinion.
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 4:28 PM Jay via RE-wrenches 
> <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>     When doing a zero sell install. What are people’s experience with
>     needing utility approval?
>
>     It would seem as being behind the meter you don’t need it. But
>     just wondering as I’ve had a few people ask me especially from
>     California given the ridiculously high electricity costs.
>
>     Thanks in advance
>     Jay
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