[RE-wrenches] AC lock-out

Tue May 2 21:16:51 PDT 2017

I appreciate the input.  The whole house disco could be an option.

This utility also sends out a letter as soon as I request potential 
customer interest and their most recent 12 month's power history.  The 
letter states:  "When analyzing the potential payback of solar power, 
assume that the future cost for energy from PSREC will be its wholesale 
cost of power, currently about $0.05 per kWh, and not the current retail 
rate of $0.1478 per kWh. This may affect the payback of your investment 
in a solar system."

Gotta love it.

Bill

On 5/2/2017 4:00 PM, jay wrote:
> What got the PG&E lockout lifted was no-one knew who had the list, how 
> it was to be implemented/locked or when how to be un locked, or who 
> kept the keys, just to name a few.
>
> Its all based on the faulty thinking that its stupid power ( generator 
> ) and not smart power IEEE/UL 1741.
>
> You might try if an inverter engineer might talk with the utility 
> engineer.
>
>
> And I’ve actually got one on my house.  Its one of the first installs 
> in northern California, and not only is the a lockable disco, its 
> locked ON.
>
> jay
> peltz power
>
>
>> On May 2, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Mac Lewis <maclewis1 at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:maclewis1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Here in CO, a lot of rural utilities have this requirement. Its very 
>> unnecessary as we all know.  I would shoot for a directional 
>> placarding solution. Indicate where the main service is from the 
>> solar disconnect and where the solar disconnect is from the main. 
>> Worth a try, it always works here.
>>
>> On May 2, 2017 10:46 AM, "James Jefferson Jarvis" <jj at aprsworld.com 
>> <mailto:jj at aprsworld.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Rather than trench, you could install a whole house
>>         disconnect. I doubt it would ever be opened.
>>
>>
>>     Here in my part of Minnesota the utilities won't allow you to do
>>     a whole premise disconnect. The lockable solar disconnect must
>>     serve the solar only and must be located within 6' of the meter.
>>
>>     So I've had a few occasions where the customer has had to spend
>>     thousands of extra dollars to meet that requirement.
>>
>>     It's a pretty crazy (read: anti-renewables) requirement in this
>>     day and age.
>>
>>     -James Jarvis
>>     APRS World, LLC
>>
>>
>>
>>         William
>>
>>             On May 2, 2017, at 7:18 AM, frenergy <frenergy at psln.com
>>             <mailto:frenergy at psln.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Especially CA wrenches,
>>
>>                        Anybody had any of their GT systems locked-out
>>             by their utility with the AC disco?  I'm dealing with a
>>             utility that still insists in installing an AC disco no
>>             matter what the conditions are and in this very rural
>>             area this can mean running an extra line out to the
>>             meter/main 100+ ft from the house (distribution panel
>>             back at the house).  So backhoe, labor, materials and
>>             Oops the backhoe hit a propane line.  Do they actually
>>             have a box of hundreds of locks to be able to lock-out PV
>>             systems?  I doubt it.  Would appreciate knowing for a
>>             discussion with their engineer.
>>
>>             Bill
>>
>>             Feather River Solar Electric
>>             Bill Battagin, Owner
>>             4291 Nelson St.
>>             Taylorsville, CA 95983
>>             530.284.7849 <tel:530.284.7849>
>>             CA Lic 874049
>>             www.frenergy.net <http://www.frenergy.net/>
>>
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