[RE-wrenches] Failed L16 with perfect Sp.Gr.

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar offgridsolar at sti.net
Thu Apr 27 12:45:37 PDT 2017


The 2V L16's are 2V one cell. The 6 volt L16's are (3) 2 volt cells but
you should see the SG being way off, right?

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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> That was my point: voltage is not very helpful on the 2 v L16s, as all 3
> cells are internally paralleled.   With the Flir I was able to see all
> the dead cells in the set in seconds.
>
> R. Ray Walters
> Chief Technical Officer, RemoteSolar.com
> BS Mech Engineering, 1988
> Former NABCEP Certified, 2004-2016
> Licensed Master ELectrician, Colorado
> 303 505-8760
>
> On 4/27/17 10:22 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:
>> The FLIR is nice but SG and voltage would have told the same thing,
>> would
>> it not?
>> I have excellent experience with the L16 2V cells but will be switching
>> to
>> the LG RESU 10 very soon for my clients.
>>
>>> Here's a thermal image from a recent inspection of 2 v Trojan L16REs.
>>> Notice the normal batteries above and below, they are cool blue,
>>> running
>>> around 75F
>>>
>>> 2 of the cells of the center battery are obviously shorted.  Cell
>>> voltage was 2.07 v compared to about 2.3 to 2.4 v for surrounding good
>>> batteries.  Dead cells are much easier to find on 6 v batteries.  I
>>> wouldn't have found this without the Flir 167.
>>>
>>> About 1/4 of the batteries in this set had hot cells; 25 -30 deg F
>>> warmer. Obviously time for some fresh lead.   Owner couldn't recall how
>>> old the set was, he thought 2 to 4 years.  Rated at 1000 cycles to 80%
>>> DOD, these Trojan RE batteries should do much better than that.  I have
>>> never been impressed with L16s anyway. John, my experience has also
>>> been: higher Capacity = more premature cell failures.
>>>
>>> R. Ray Walters
>>> Chief Technical Officer, RemoteSolar.com
>>> BS Mech Engineering, 1988
>>> Former NABCEP Certified, 2004-2016
>>> Licensed Master ELectrician, Colorado
>>> 303 505-8760
>>>
>>> On 4/26/17 2:09 PM, John Blittersdorf wrote:
>>>> Wallace,
>>>>     I installed some Interstate RE batteries (green case) L16's that
>>>> supposedly are made by US Battery.  As with Trojan and other High
>>>> Capacity L16's I had several cell failures.  I have always felt that
>>>> gleaning more amp hours from the same box must lead to cutting corners
>>>> on robustness.  I have found that often when the batteries are full,
>>>> they work OK for awhile but as the voltage drops and the current flow
>>>> rises, the cell will eventually drop out.  Other adjacent batteries in
>>>> the string often overcharge to compensate.  In my case with the green
>>>> batteries, they were about 2 years old as well.  I took them back to
>>>> my distributor and replaced them with standard L16's at a special pro
>>>> rated price. I have found that all lead acid batteries that have
>>>> problems seem to first have a cell failure somewhere along the line
>>>> and finally the capacity diminishes to the point that it is an
>>>> annoyance. Seems  bad cells seem more numerous lately.
>>>>
>>>> John Blittersdorf
>>>> Rob Stubbins Solar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Wallace Stahle <wstahle at pacific.net
>>>> <mailto:wstahle at pacific.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>>      I was called by a customer with the complaint of the MS4024
>>>>      inverter shut down and ME-ARC controller and Trimetric acting
>>>>      strange, intermittent and even even showing 29 volts at times.
>>>>
>>>>      The batteries are four 2.5 year old US battery L16XC 380 AH and
>>>>      checking each battery showed one at 4.8 v under charge while the
>>>>      other three were at 7+ volts and no current.
>>>>
>>>>      Meanwhile the specific gravity was high on all cells and even a
>>>>      week after removal are up at 1.275 on all three cells.
>>>>
>>>>      I suspect an open in the cell interconnects with enough
>>>> continuity
>>>>      to read volts but not conduct current.
>>>>
>>>>      My question is what have any of you seen n this regard and any
>>>>      knowledge of cause of such a failure.
>>>>
>>>>      Your insights and experience are greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>      They were installed by others and are out of warranty. I donated
>>>> a
>>>>      serviceable used USB L16 to get her back to a working system.
>>>>      She did recall her Ex stating along the lines of "oh this one has
>>>>      a problem but dont worry, it'll come around" as they were
>>>> installed.
>>>>
>>>>      Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>>      Wallace Stahle
>>>>      Future Electric Energy Co
>>>>      P O Box 236
>>>>      Willits, CA 95490
>>>>      future at pacific.net <mailto:future at pacific.net>
>>>>      CA Lic.# C10-762093
>>>>      707-459-0474 <tel:707-459-0474>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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