[RE-wrenches] Whole house energy moniters

[Andrew Truitt]

Whisker Labs <https://www.whiskerlabs.com/solutions.html> just announced a
product that monitors individual loads / sources through digital
disaggregation (like Sense) but using a sensor that adheres to the main
panel, eliminating the need to remove the deadfront to attached CTs.
Pretty crazy.  Connectivity is through the existing network.

Other CT-based options beyond what's been mentioned include neurio
<http://neur.io/> (existing network), the Locus LGate 101e
<http://locusenergy.com/solutions/residential> (cellular or existing
network), TED <http://www.theenergydetective.com/prohome> (existing
network), and the Enphase Envoy-S
<https://enphase.com/en-us/blog/enphase-brings-intelligent-control-energy-management-new-envoy-s>
(which can monitor non-enphase systems and is cellular).

There's another product just now coming to the US from Australia called
CarbonTrack <http://www.carbontrack.com.au/> (cellular).  Whole home + PV
energy monitoring (CTs), zigbee / z-wave 2-way communications with
smarthome devices, communicates with energy storage... basically an
energy-focused smarthome hub.  Lots going on in this space!



- Andrew



"Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion
to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor
safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could
ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless!"

~William McDonough

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Philip Boutelle <philboutelle at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This product by Sense is similar to CURB (or eGauge
> <http://www.egauge.net/>, or other multiple-CT devices), but you install
> a single set of CTs on the main feeds (plus on on the solar if you have
> it). The device then 'learns the electronic signature' of the loads in the
> house to disaggregate what is being used. I haven't tried one yet.
> https://sense.com/
>
> I have previously installed a beta device from Verdegris, which does the
> same thing (single CT set) but is geared for commercial customers, whereas
> Sense is residential.
> http://verdigris.co/
>
> -Phil
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> *Phil Boutelle,* *PE, CEM*     |   Energy Engineer
> philboutelle at gmail.com   |   M (831) 359-5268 <%28831%29%20359-5268>
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> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:01 AM, William Dorsett <wmdorsett at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> There is a new one mentioned in SolarPro, from a company called CURB
>> http://energycurb.com/) . CURB gives CT’s for eighteen different
>> circuits so over time you can understand how each load is performing. One
>> of our families had a broken pump shaft so it never registered that there
>> was more water in the pressure tank, so it ran for weeks. The site mentions
>> that they will be able to predict appliance failure from historical data.
>> And it can monitor overall PV generation. It looks very promising though
>> from the reviews it may not yet allow a download of historical data. It
>> would be great if in addition to logging data, it would allow active
>> management of interlocking relays to control demand charges. There is
>> another product called Energy Sentry (http://energysentry.com/ ) , that
>> allows you to prioritize your large loads so they aren’t allowed to all
>> come on at the same time. As more utilities add Time of Use and demand
>> charges this will be a really valuable piece of hardware. For installers
>> this will become just another value added service. These two companies
>> should merge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Dorsett
>>
>> Manhattan, KS
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jerry Shafer
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 2:42 AM
>> *To:* Peter Talmage; RE-wrenches
>> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Whole house energy moniters
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>>
>> Peter
>>
>> is this system CT based, can you turn around the CT's as when in most
>> cases installation says to install directional and for solar they get
>> installed backwards instead.
>> Jerry
>>
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>>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Peter Talmage <ptalmage at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with whole house energy monitors that work
>> with interfaced PV arrays. It seems most just deal with the array output as
>> a load .
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.  Peter Talmage
>>
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