[RE-wrenches] Issue with DR1512 and oven

Tue Sep 20 08:48:35 PDT 2016

Thanks all.

I have a Peerless Premier LP stove in my own house, but i am grid tied so i
was not sure how they behave with dirtier waves.  Good to know that they
are so bulletproof.  I am guessing that the appliance shop will not be
happy with going outside of their usual brands, but that seems to be the
direction you are all suggesting.  I will make my strong recommendation and
see how it flies.

Thanks,
Kris

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Chris Daum <chris at oasismontana.com> wrote:

> Peerless Premier (www.premierrange.com) has offered battery-ignition
> ranges now for about two years -- no AC power required.  They need an
> 8-pack of double A cells, and can also be match-lit if you don't want to
> fool with the batteries.
>
>
> Chris Daum
> Oasis Montana Inc.
> 406-777-4309
> 406-777-0830 fax
> www.oasismontana.com
>
>
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> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *frenergy
> *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 9:09 PM
>
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Issue with DR1512 and oven
>
> I just installed a system for some folks that found this range with no
> glow bar.  The oven light and the spark ignition each take 2, 9 volt
> batteries so zero outside electric power source.
>
> http://uniqueoffgrid.com/product/unique-elite-30-off-grid-propane-range/
>
> Those Canadians....
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049www.frenergy.net
>
>  On 9/19/2016 4:43 PM, Brian Teitelbaum wrote:
>
> Solid advice from both Ray and Allan.
>
>
>
> Switching to a sine-wave inverter will solve the controller issue, but not
> the 300W glow bar draining the batteries. Switching to a Peerless-Premier
> would solve that problem, or use an old Wedgewood range like I do. My
> 6-burner/two oven gas Wedgewood from the early 40’s works great, and will
> likely last for centuries, but it does take 4 gorillas to move the damn
> thing. It must weigh 600 lbs, although I’ve never weighed it.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> AEE Solar
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Allan Sindelar
> *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 4:26 PM
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Issue with DR1512 and oven
>
>
>
> Kristopher,
> Ray's advice is sound, and I'll add: that 14 year old inverter is likely
> to last forever, and that's not a reason to keep using it. It's almost
> certainly the crude waveform that's causing the issues.
> If range replacement remains the only option, talk with Peerless-Premier (
> www.premierrange.com). As of my last contact with them a few years ago,
> they still make unadvertised models with circuit boards that were designed
> for original Trace mod-square inverters and have no glow bars for the oven.
> Our family home has a decent Pro series (stainless front with sealed
> burners) with electric igniters and no glow bar.
> Allan
>
> *Allan Sindelar*
> *allan at sindelarsolar.com* <allan at sindelarsolar.com>
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> New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
> Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.
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>
>
> On 9/19/2016 4:46 PM, Kristopher Schmid wrote:
>
> Thanks Ray,
>
> This is a circa 2002 inverter.  I may just tell them to go to a pilot
> light stove model (hate to waste gas, ya know).
>
> Kris
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Ray Walters <*ray at solarray.com*
> <ray at solarray.com>> wrote:
>
> Sounds like ovens have gotten more complicated over the years.  As soon as
> I read "control board" and modified sine wave, I cringe.  The good old DR
> inverters worked great, I even ran my own shop on one for several years
> back in the 90s.  I for the most part quit selling them though, as even
> though most equipment worked on the mod sine, we started noticing premature
> failures.  I would attribute this to the extra heat generated by all the
> extra harmonic distortion.  Sorry I can't recommend an oven; they probably
> would be better going to something older form Craig's list with no AC
> connection at all.
>
> R.Ray Walters
>
> CTO, Solarray, Inc
>
> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
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> On 9/19/2016 4:35 PM, Kristopher Schmid wrote:
>
> Hi Wrenches,
>
> I have a client that has blown out 2 control boards on their oven in the
> last few months.  The appliance is a Whirlpool Model WFG515S0EW0 powered by
> a Xantrex DR1512.  Since this is an off-grid home, i recommended that they
> get an LP stove with no oven glow bar and this was the unit that the
> appliance company supplied.
>
> Has anyone seen this before (i am assuming incompatibility of the
> circuitry with the modified sine wave output)?
>
> Can you recommend another model that has been tried and true (preferably
> Whirlpool)?
>
> Thanks tons,
>
> Kris
>
>
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NABCEP Certified PV Installer
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