<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thanks all. <br><br>I have a Peerless Premier LP stove in my own house, but i am grid tied so i was not sure how they behave with dirtier waves. Good to know that they are so bulletproof. I am guessing that the appliance shop will not be happy with going outside of their usual brands, but that seems to be the direction you are all suggesting. I will make my strong recommendation and see how it flies.<br><br></div>Thanks,<br></div>Kris<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Chris Daum <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris@oasismontana.com" target="_blank">chris@oasismontana.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Peerless Premier (<a href="http://www.premierrange.com" target="_blank">www.premierrange.com</a>) has offered
battery-ignition ranges now for about two years -- no AC power required.
They need an 8-pack of double A cells, and can also be match-lit if you don't
want to fool with the batteries.</font></span></div>
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<p><font size="2">Chris Daum<br>Oasis Montana Inc.<br><a href="tel:406-777-4309" value="+14067774309" target="_blank">406-777-4309</a><br><a href="tel:406-777-0830" value="+14067770830" target="_blank">406-777-0830</a>
fax<br><a href="http://www.oasismontana.com" target="_blank">www.oasismontana.com</a><span> </span><br> </font> </p></span></div><br>
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<p>I just installed a system for some folks that found this range with no glow
bar. The oven light and the spark ignition each take 2, 9 volt batteries
so zero outside electric power source.</p>
<p><a href="http://uniqueoffgrid.com/product/unique-elite-30-off-grid-propane-range/" target="_blank">http://uniqueoffgrid.com/<wbr>product/unique-elite-30-off-<wbr>grid-propane-range/</a></p>
<p>Those Canadians....</p>
<p>Bill</p><pre cols="72">Feather River Solar Electric
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<div>On 9/19/2016 4:43 PM, Brian Teitelbaum
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Solid
advice from both Ray and Allan. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Switching
to a sine-wave inverter will solve the controller issue, but not the 300W glow
bar draining the batteries. Switching to a Peerless-Premier would solve that
problem, or use an old Wedgewood range like I do. My 6-burner/two oven gas
Wedgewood from the early 40’s works great, and will likely last for centuries,
but it does take 4 gorillas to move the damn thing. It must weigh 600 lbs,
although I’ve never weighed it.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Brian</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">AEE
Solar</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:windowtext;FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:windowtext;FONT-SIZE:10pt">
RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 4:26
PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Issue with
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Kristopher,<br>Ray's advice is
sound, and I'll add: that 14 year old inverter is likely to last forever, and
that's not a reason to keep using it. It's almost certainly the crude waveform
that's causing the issues.<br>If range replacement remains the only option,
talk with Peerless-Premier (<a href="http://www.premierrange.com" target="_blank">www.premierrange.com</a>). As of my last contact with
them a few years ago, they still make unadvertised models with circuit boards
that were designed for original Trace mod-square inverters and have no glow
bars for the oven. Our family home has a decent Pro series (stainless front
with sealed burners) with electric igniters and no glow bar. <br>Allan</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt"><a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com" target="_blank"><u>allan@sindelarsolar.com</u></a></span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt">NABCEP Certified PV Installation
Professional<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico
EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>Founder (Retired), Positive Energy,
Inc.<br><b><a href="tel:505%20780-2738" value="+15057802738" target="_blank">505 780-2738</a> cell</b><br><br></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/19/2016 4:46 PM, Kristopher Schmid wrote:</p></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Thanks Ray,</p></div>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">This is a circa 2002
inverter. I may just tell them to go to a pilot light stove model
(hate to waste gas, ya know).</p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kris</p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Ray Walters <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank"><u>ray@solarray.com</u></a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like ovens have gotten more complicated over the
years. As soon as I read "control board" and modified sine wave, I
cringe. The good old DR inverters worked great, I even ran my own shop
on one for several years back in the 90s. I for the most part quit
selling them though, as even though most equipment worked on the mod sine,
we started noticing premature failures. I would attribute this to the
extra heat generated by all the extra harmonic distortion. Sorry I
can't recommend an oven; they probably would be better going to something
older form Craig's list with no AC connection at all.<br><br></p><pre>R.Ray Walters</pre><pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc</pre><pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, </pre><pre>Licensed Master Electrician</pre><pre>Solar Design Engineer</pre><pre><a href="tel:303%20505-8760" target="_blank"><u>303 505-8760</u></a></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/19/2016 4:35 PM, Kristopher Schmid
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Hi Wrenches,</p></div>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">I have a client that has
blown out 2 control boards on their oven in the last few months. The
appliance is a Whirlpool Model WFG515S0EW0 powered by a Xantrex
DR1512. Since this is an off-grid home, i recommended that they get
an LP stove with no oven glow bar and this was the unit that the appliance
company supplied.</p></div>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Has anyone seen this before
(i am assuming incompatibility of the circuitry with the modified sine
wave output)?</p></div>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Can you recommend another
model that has been tried and true (preferably Whirlpool)? </p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks tons,</p></div>
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