[RE-wrenches] NRTL certification question

[billbrooks7 at sbcglobal.net]

Steven,

 

Although you are correct that OSHA certifies NRTLs for specific test standards, I have not run into jurisdictions in California that reject products listed to UL standards by ETL, TUV, and CSA. There have been specific cases where the County and City of LA have questioned various products, but to say it was because it was coming from another lab is difficult to prove. The City of LA has rejected UL products, so their approach has more to do with the fact that they have their own lab so they like the revenue that they receive from testing—very different issue.

 

I just don’t want rumors to start that some CA AHJs only accept UL—that is hearsay and not factual.

 

Bill.

 

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Just to expand on this, the NRTL has to test to the specific UL standard.  However, if you look at the definition of "listed" in the NEC, it states "equipment, materials, or services included in a list published by an organization that is acceptable to the AHJ...).  I have heard of some jurisdictions in CA that do not accept CSA, Tuv, ETL, etc and will only accept UL as a testing agency.

BTW it is possible to do field certification of equipment, although it's probably more cost effective  to purchase new modules.

 

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Allan,

OSHA maintains the list of NRTL?s: https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/nrtllist.html.

TUV Rheinland is included, but CE is not a NRTL ? it is a manufacturer?s declaration of conformity (literally translated is European Conformity) to European requirements for product conformity.  As a manufacturers? declaration, it is not a third party certification.  I?d stay away from products that are CE, and not UL, TUV, CSA, etc.

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