[RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

[jay]

Hi Tump,

FYI HUP industrial, on the 12v batteries, use bolted buss bars.  
But many of the other industrial motive batteries ( like the HUP) are welded.  

Jay
Peltz power
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Tump <tump at swnl.net> wrote:
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> Individual 2 volt cells does allow one to bypass that "bad" cell & wait for a replacement without disabling the whole system. Unfortunately few folks are comfortable or aware how to replace a "welded in place"cell interconnect w/ say a HUP battery.
> As far as DEKA batteries I recently visited their manufacturing plant and was quite impressed. QC is a major concern and having their own smelter allows them to pull and test batteries at all phases of construction, check plate strength, interconnect welds, ect. and then just toss them into the recycle pile...... remelt and reman! Not only that but it was also impressive how proud their employees were to be working for Deka, the average employee has worked for them for ~15+ years.
> As for Surrette & their warrentee pit bull, Steve may be over zealous in his response (or lack there of) to our issues regarding wtee replacements but FYI it not only us installers but their distributors are also having issues.
> While robotics may have improved Surrette's belief that their product is top of the line, we on the front line still have issues and are beginning to seek products and manufactures that understand WE the installers are selling their products and expect quality products  and quality warrantee service. 
> This rant is coming from someone that has sold and installed Surrette batteries for over 20+ years...... I have a very good distributor that understands that even Surrette has problems and will back their product with out all the additional BS that has been placed on us for "warrantee service", and he and his service is why I still sell them!  
> Hey Steve, what say ye?
> 
> On Dec 15, 2015, at 8:37 PM, jay wrote:
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>> I agree with Tom here about 2 strings.  
>> And I have been told more than a few times in the last 22 years, from battery folks that there is no substitute for lead, in terms of capacity or longevity.  
>> 
>> Here is a comparison I worked up for a job just the other day and I’ll let you figure out which I’m recommending.
>> 
>> Hup  6-100-33  12v  1550lbs     ( includes steel case)
>> Trojan IND 33-2v      1668 lbs  ( weight for 6 of them)
>> Rolls  2v20S33PS     1333 lbs.  ( weight for 6 of them)
>> 
>> 
>> As to the Deka making their own lead, its more of a marketing gimmick really.  
>> Just because you refine the lead, doesn’t mean its better or worse than what others are using.
>> But does make for some good marketing.
>> 
>> 
>> I wouldn’t touch the nickel iron.  They are so crazy expensive.  Yes I know some folks have had fantastic success with them, and I can tell you about many many others that didn’t.  
>> All the draw backs:  hi discharge rates, hard to configure, unknown quality, etc.
>> If I was going to go NiFE, then I’d consider lithium for sure.  ( no not tesla arggg).  
>> And i have had more than a few people considering industrial batteries, that I’ve talked out of.  Because I think lithium pricing and quality are going down and up respectively and you’ll save money with a interim set of L-16’s.  If you get 3-4 years, I thing the price of lithium will come down in price more than the set of L-16’s and you’ll end up with a better system.
>> Lead is heading out.
>> But thats just my opinion.  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> jay
>> 
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