[RE-wrenches] Rapid Shut Down and the 10 Second Rule Questions

Mark Frye markf at berkeleysolar.com
Mon Feb 2 13:11:48 PST 2015


Right, so the the "kill" switch is not really needed, but yet it is 
required....!  ?

On 2/2/2015 1:09 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
>
> You pull the meter you close the contact thats it so ypu dont hit the 
> button but same results
>
> On Feb 2, 2015 11:06 AM, "Mark Frye" <markf at berkeleysolar.com 
> <mailto:markf at berkeleysolar.com>> wrote:
>
>     I really do wonder then...
>
>     Right now, you go up to the burning house and pull the meter,
>     bingo, no AC anywhere. So why do we need the "kill" switch next to
>     the service (or where ever).... IF you drive the roof top
>     contactor with 120vac or with 24 vdc made from a power supply
>     powered by 120vac. Either way, pull the meter, no more AC and no
>     more power to the contactor coil on the roof, so DC limited to the
>     location of the contactor.
>
>     Not really sure how the requirement for the stop switch got into
>     the Code.
>
>     Mark Frye
>
>     On 2/2/2015 11:11 AM, Mark Frye wrote:
>>     I see. So they have another box on the ground floor with the
>>     "kill" switch and that box includes a 120/240 vac to 24vdc xfrm
>>     to drive the contactor coil  on the roof? So you run 120/240 vac
>>     to the box with the "kill" switch?
>>
>>     Mark Frye
>>     On 2/2/2015 10:52 AM, Glenn Burt wrote:
>>>
>>>     Looks like they use 24VDC for contactor activation, not 120VAC.
>>>
>>>     *From:*RE-wrenches
>>>     [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of
>>>     *Mark Frye
>>>     *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 1:29 PM
>>>     *To:* RE-wrenches
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shut Down and the 10 Second
>>>     Rule Questions
>>>
>>>     OK. So did you run a line 120V up to the box on the roof to
>>>     energize the coil of the relay up there?
>>>
>>>     Mark Frye
>>>
>>>     On 2/2/2015 9:13 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
>>>
>>>         The units we have used have a large contactor inside the
>>>         combiner box made by AMtec Solar. this was required to
>>>         control the shut down includes a fire button done on the
>>>         ground floor
>>>
>>>         Jerry
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Mark Frye
>>>         <markf at berkeleysolar.com <mailto:markf at berkeleysolar.com>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>         Jerry,
>>>
>>>         What unit did you use?
>>>
>>>         Mark Frye
>>>
>>>         On 2/2/2015 7:43 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
>>>
>>>             Wrenches
>>>             We have installed some of these rapid shut down units
>>>             and they are always located close to the array and ours
>>>             kill the DC instantly as long as the inverter was
>>>             running when this accures did not test it with inverters
>>>             already off.
>>>             Jerry
>>>
>>>             On Feb 2, 2015 5:34 AM, "Christopher Warfel"
>>>             <cwarfel at entech-engineering.com
>>>             <mailto:cwarfel at entech-engineering.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             We have a interpretation problem among some people I
>>>             work with with, and  690.12 Rapid Shut Down and the the
>>>             10 second time for reducing ac and dc conductors to
>>>             240ma, and 30V.  The word "initiation" seems to indicate
>>>             that all affected conductors need to be at these levels
>>>             within 10 seconds of de-energizing either the ac or dc
>>>             conductors. If so, then the disconnects need to be
>>>             co-located to meet this requirement if this
>>>             interpretation is correct.
>>>
>>>             I have read Mr. Brook's article in Solar Pro, but AHJs
>>>             may feel differently.
>>>
>>>             Would anyone care to weigh in on their interpretation?
>>>
>>>             Thank you, Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>             Christopher Warfel, President
>>>             ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
>>>             PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
>>>             401-466-8978 <tel:401-466-8978>
>>>
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