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    Right, so the the "kill" switch is not really needed, but yet it is
    required....!  ?<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/2/2015 1:09 PM, Jerry Shafer
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAMUFgmWXnheGJvRK8ET+v=fzGUkr4=ZVdO6_vmpyRqSWppgouA@mail.gmail.com"
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      <p dir="ltr">You pull the meter you close the contact thats it so
        ypu dont hit the button but same results</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 2, 2015 11:06 AM, "Mark Frye" <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:markf@berkeleysolar.com">markf@berkeleysolar.com</a>>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I really do wonder
            then...<br>
            <br>
            Right now, you go up to the burning house and pull the
            meter, bingo, no AC anywhere. So why do we need the "kill"
            switch next to the service (or where ever).... IF you drive
            the roof top contactor with 120vac or with 24 vdc made from
            a power supply powered by 120vac. Either way, pull the
            meter, no more AC and no more power to the contactor coil on
            the roof, so DC limited to the location of the contactor. <br>
            <br>
            Not really sure how the requirement for the stop switch got
            into the Code.<br>
            <br>
            Mark Frye<br>
            <br>
            <div>On 2/2/2015 11:11 AM, Mark Frye wrote:<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"> I see. So they have another box on
              the ground floor with the "kill" switch and that box
              includes a 120/240 vac to 24vdc xfrm to drive the
              contactor coil  on the roof? So you run 120/240 vac to the
              box with the "kill" switch?<br>
              <br>
              Mark Frye<br>
              <div>On 2/2/2015 10:52 AM, Glenn Burt wrote:<br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Looks


                      like they use 24VDC for contactor activation, not
                      120VAC.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                          RE-wrenches [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Frye<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 02, 2015 1:29 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Rapid Shut
                          Down and the 10 Second Rule Questions</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">OK.
                    So did you run a line 120V up to the box on the roof
                    to energize the coil of the relay up there?<br>
                    <br>
                    Mark Frye</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 2/2/2015 9:13 AM, Jerry
                      Shafer wrote:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">The units we have used have
                          a large contactor inside the combiner box made
                          by AMtec Solar. this was required to control
                          the shut down includes a fire button done on
                          the ground floor</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Jerry</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:49
                          AM, Mark Frye <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:markf@berkeleysolar.com"
                            target="_blank">markf@berkeleysolar.com</a>>

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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Jerry,<br>
                            <br>
                            What unit did you use?<span
                              style="color:#888888"><br>
                              <br>
                              <span>Mark Frye</span></span> </p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On 2/2/2015 7:43
                                  AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:</p>
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                                <p>Wrenches<br>
                                  We have installed some of these rapid
                                  shut down units and they are always
                                  located close to the array and ours
                                  kill the DC instantly as long as the
                                  inverter was running when this accures
                                  did not test it with inverters already
                                  off.<br>
                                  Jerry</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 2, 2015
                                    5:34 AM, "Christopher Warfel" <<a
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                                      href="mailto:cwarfel@entech-engineering.com"
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                                    wrote:</p>
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                                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">We have
                                    a interpretation problem among some
                                    people I work with with, and  690.12
                                    Rapid Shut Down and the the 10
                                    second time for reducing ac and dc
                                    conductors to 240ma, and 30V.  The
                                    word "initiation" seems to indicate
                                    that all affected conductors need to
                                    be at these levels within 10 seconds
                                    of de-energizing either the ac or dc
                                    conductors. If so, then the
                                    disconnects need to be co-located to
                                    meet this requirement if this
                                    interpretation is correct.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I have read Mr. Brook's article in
                                    Solar Pro, but AHJs may feel
                                    differently.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Would anyone care to weigh in on
                                    their interpretation?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Thank you, Chris<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    -- <br>
                                    Christopher Warfel, President<br>
                                    ENTECH Engineering, Inc.<br>
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