[RE-wrenches] PV Array Definition and 690.47(D) (2008)

[Jason Szumlanski]

Yeah, Florida is in the dark ages of solar in more ways than one. We're on
2008 still.

One area enlightened/progressive jurisdiction has eliminated the additional
electrode requirement altogether in light of the 2011 code cycle taking
effect soon. The one I am dealing with is notorious for making permitting
(in general) a living hell.


Jason

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:56 PM, August Goers <august at luminalt.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
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> Do you need to go under the 2008 NEC or can you look at 2011? 2008 is
> notorious for being confusing in this area.
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> Best,
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> August
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> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski
> *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 11:54 AM
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Array Definition and 690.47(D) (2008)
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> We are 100% on the same page. That is the technique we use and the
> argument I make. In a large proportion of cases we have modules directly
> above the existing premises grounding electrode, or otherwise where an
> additional grounding electrode would be "as close as practicable" to a
> location within 6 feet.
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> A 25MW plant presumably has several distinct structures on which it is
> mounted. I can see the rationale for a GEC and electrode for each structure
> in that scenario. But a single building with various roof faces is
> technically a single mechanically integrated structure on which PV modules
> are mounted.
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> Jason Szumlanski
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> Fafco Solar
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> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ray Walters <ray at solarray.com> wrote:
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> Definitely could use some clarification.  The 690 definition of an array
> says "mechanically integrated", which sort of implies each roof plane is
> its own array.
> However in terms of actual PV design terminology, each PV system has only
> one array which may consist of many subarrays. Even a 25 MW plant has Only
> One array!
> So once again, NEC is inventing its own language that is not consistent
> with actual terminology in use for over 30 years.  (Ugh)
> My call is that you would bond each subarray to each other with #6, and
> then bring down a single GEC.  Multiple GECs sounds very silly, but damn
> that NEC language.
> I would argue that "mechanically integrated" means they are all bolted
> down to the same building (one support structure)
> What other electrical system would require multiple GECs for an
> installation on a single building ?
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> Good Luck,
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> R.Ray Walters
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> CTO, Solarray, Inc
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> Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
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> Licensed Master Electrician
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> Solar Design Engineer
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> 303 505-8760
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> On 9/29/2014 6:21 AM, Jason Szumlanski wrote:
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> The definition of Array in 690.2 is ambiguous. Figure 690.1(A) seems to
> indicate that groups of modules on different roof surfaces could be
> considered a single array. The textual definition itself could be construed
> either way. We have successfully argued that an entire roof mounted system
> with modules on different roofs constitutes a single array. Therefore, if
> the additional grounding electrode required by 690.47(D) qualifies for
> Exception 2, it is not required. However, our "favorite" jurisdiction has
> just interpreted it differently, requiring a separate electrode and
> electrode conductor for each roof surface... and there are a lot of roof
> surfaces on this particular job. Complying will not be fun or cheap.
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> How is your jurisdiction interpreting this?
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> Related note: Figure 690.1(A) would effectively make each module in a
> microinverter based system a distinct array. The figure seems to imply that
> all modules that form a PV Output Circuit are a single array. Each module
> is a complete PV Output Circuit in a microinverter based system. It's
> strange that the textual definition is concerned with mechanical
> assemblies, but the figure refers to electrical configuration in defining
> Array. In fact, in the text an Array is defined as components forming "a
> direct-current power-producing unit." In a microinverter-based system, how
> can any group of modules be considered an array given that definition?
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> Jason Szumlanski
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> Fafco Solar
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